Transcript of interview with Phyllis Friedman by Barbara Tabach, March 2, 2015

AN INTERVIEW WITH PHYLLIS FRIEDMAN An Oral History Conducted by Barbara Tabach The Southern Nevada Jewish Community Digital Heritage Project Oral History Research Center at UNLV University Libraries ii ?Southern Nevada Jewish Community Digital Heritage Project University of Nevada Las Vegas, 2014 Produced by: The Oral History Research Center at UNLV ? University Libraries Director: Claytee D. White Project Manager: Barbara Tabach Transcriber: Kristin Hicks Interviewers: Barbara Tabach, Claytee D. White Editors and Project Assistants: Maggie Lopes, Stefani Evans iii The recorded interview and transcript have been made possible through the generosity of a Library Services and Technology Act (LSTA) Grant. The Oral History Research Center enables students and staff to work together with community members to generate this selection of first-person narratives. The participants in this project thank University of Nevada Las Vegas for the support given that allowed an idea the opportunity to flourish. The transcript received minimal editing that includes the elimination of fragments, false starts, and repetitions in order to enhance the reader?s understanding of the material. All measures have been taken to preserve the style and language of the narrator. In several cases photographic sources accompany the individual interviews with permission of the narrator. The following interview is part of a series of interviews conducted under the auspices of the Southern Nevada Jewish Community Digital Heritage Project. Claytee D. White Director, Oral History Research Center University Libraries University of Nevada Las Vegas iv PREFACE A Chicago native, Phyllis Friedman first came to Las Vegas in 1996 to become the Jewish Federation of Las Vegas? first foundation director. After two years, Friedman moved to year Los Angeles to work for ORT. Itching to get back to Las Vegas, in 2007, Friedman returned to the city to became director of the Nevada regional office of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). In this position, she worked with schools as well as law enforcement, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), teaching about tolerance and justice. She is a recipient of the FBI?s Las Vegas Division Director?s Community Leadership Award as well as the first awardee of Jewish Federation?s Jewish Professional of the Year. Three weeks into retirement, Friedman gave this interview, reflecting upon her extensive work with the ADL in Las Vegas. She discusses the city?s relatively low anti-Semitic activity, and how this allowed the Las Vegas ADL office to focus its efforts more broadly than in other cities. She also touches upon her family history, and how the community of Las Vegas has evolved since first visiting in 1963. v TABLE OF CONTENTS Interview with Phyllis Friedman on March 2, 2015 by Barbara Tabach in Las Vegas, Nevada Preface?????????????????????????????????..?..iv Talks about first coming to Las Vegas to work for Jewish Federation; the Federation?s board members during that time. Explains what the organization ORT, a previous employer, does. then returning for job with Anti-Defamation League (ADL). Discusses what made ADL?s work unique, versus other communities with more anti-Semitism; their school and law enforcement education programs; annual legal luncheon honoring local advocate for tolerance?????????.1-6 Mentions ADL office receiving Barrick Gold gift for education programs; Las Vegas families who have supported organization. Describes ADL?s programming fighting cyberbullying. Discusses Bundy standoff with Bureau of Land Management; more about law enforcement training programs. Reflects upon growing into her position; the respect that ADL has within community. List local honorees over the years. Thoughts on recent retirement??..........................??.7-12 Shares about family background; father?s involvement with B?nai B?rith; experiences with anti-Semitism during childhood in Chicago. Remembers first impressions of Las Vegas; meeting Al Sachs. Fascination with the distinctive norms of doing business, fundraising in the city. Thoughts about Las Vegas? medical care quality. Talks about satisfaction in working for ADL in Las Vegas; Holocaust survivor community, Holocaust education programming????????..?13-17 Talks about work in addressing and combatting anti-Semitism. Lists other influential Jewish organizations working in Las Vegas. Mentions the lack of collaboration amongst Jewish community; volunteering for The Laramie Project and related controversy; personal awards received; appreciation for beauty of Las Vegas outdoors?.????????????...18-21 Index........................................................................................................................................22-23 vi 1 Today is March 2, 2015. This is Barbara Tabach and I am sitting with Phyllis Friedman. Would you spell your name for us, please? Phyllis Friedman. Terrific. You were just saying that you have come to Las Vegas twice. Where did you come from the first time? I am a native Chicagoan, had lived there all my life. Went to the University of Illinois. Never really thought of moving. Both of my children happened to have moved west. I had a child living in Northern California. My son was living here in Nevada. My family had all passed away. It was winter and I got a phone call asking if I knew anybody?I was then the Midwest director for the American Friends of Hebrew University. I got a call from a headhunter wanting to know if I knew of anybody who might be interested in being the first foundation director for the Las Vegas Jewish Federation. I looked outside at a very gray Chicago day and I said, ?Gee, maybe me.? I came out, interviewed, said, ?Okay,? and I moved. Unfortunately, I had been warned that the then director of the Federation was not the easiest person to get along with. I said, ?Don't be silly; I can get along with anybody.? And I couldn't. It was affecting my physical well?being. So after about two and a half years, I said, ?I need to leave.? There wasn't anything else here for me to do and ended up in Los Angeles. But I had loved living here. I had lived in Henderson. It was always on my list to come back here. I worked in L.A. for about seven years. At that point I was the only employee west of the Mississippi River for ORT, another Jewish organization. When I saw the job at the Anti-Defamation League, I said, ?That's going to be my job.? I bought a house before I even started working; I was that certain that I wanted to be here. It was the best move. I was thrilled to be back here. I am newly retired for about three weeks now. It was the most wonderful work experience of about fifty years of working experience. That's a great synopsis. Let's go back on these organizations to help us understand what they're 2 about, their role in the community. So your first job, you said, was with the Jewish Federation. What was your role? In Las Vegas, they had never had a foundation. A foundation is where people leave estates, wills and so forth rather than going into the general campaign. People had always been doing that, but they had no formal way of soliciting those funds, keeping track of them, promoting doing it. And most federations have what they would call a foundation person. I started a little board. We had some programming. Our funds did increase. People left wills and bequests. Of course, you never know what comes in. I have the feeling even today people that I might have signed up and have since passed on have left money. The Federation then was on Maryland Parkway. People were interested. Giving is not something that's real big in Las Vegas. It still isn't. Some of it's because of the lack of history. Old?time cities?Baltimore, Chicago, even Omaha?with real old Jewish communities have huge endowments. I believe we still don't have that. And when I left the job, they eliminated it. Okay. So that position no longer exists? Now somebody takes on some of the responsibility, but it's not a total job anymore. Okay. It's a big change. They tried. So how deep the roots go help a foundation get stronger. Exactly. Who were some of the people on the board at that time? That was in '96? Daryl Alterwitz. Ninety?six, ninety?seven. Mike Novack. A lot of old, long?timers wanted to be helpful. One of the best interviews or solicitations I did at that time was with Emily Wanderer. I've heard that name before. She was the first woman lawyer to be signed into the Nevada Bar. Her son, John Wanderer, still practices 3 law here. She was an interesting lady. I met some very interesting people. But it never took off here, I think, because the culture of long-term giving just wasn't here. So explain what ORT is. ORT started during the World War II era; the Organization of Rehabilitation and Training is what it started as, and they were mostly in the DP camps. They trained people to be tailors, plumbers, woodworkers, and so forth. That institution has now morphed into...they have educational training schools, one in New York, one in Los Angeles. But its initial arrival on the scene was in the DP camps. Explain what a DP camp is. A displaced person camp after World War II. Is there an active ORT organization in Las Vegas? There was an ORT chapter. When I was in Los Angeles, there was a small group here of elderly women. I really wouldn't know who all was still alive. We tried to goose it up a little bit and get it going, and it really never worked. I have not seen anything lately. I don't think it's around anymore. It just sort of died out. Now, the Anti?Defamation League, explain to us what it's all about. The Anti?Defamation League is now a hundred and one years old, and began to fight anti-Semitism against Jewish people. That has changed; their mission now is to protect the rights and the dignity of all peoples. For many, many years Las Vegas was handled, if you will, by the Los Angeles office who dropped in once a year, ran a fundraising dinner, and left. About twenty?plus years ago Art Marshall and Burton Cohen, probably said, ?You can't be a drop?in; if you want our money, we need to have a real presence here.? That's when the office opened. Art, with his wife, June, were incredibly instrumental in 4 that, and they brought in a lecture series. But Las Vegas was a little strange for the ADL because there's never been the kind of anti?Semitism here that was experienced in communities back east. As I talked to people, it seemed here that it was an economic kind of thing that let you into a country club or whatever?whereas in Chicago or Baltimore or maybe Boston, there were Jewish country clubs and there were Jewish places where you could live, and there were places that were restricted. So the ADL here didn't walk into the kinds of problems that were what we would call back east kinds of problems. I understand that it was before my time that there was a very serious event at Sheldon Adelson's house, where there was some sort of graffiti put on his garage door. So there have been some incidents, but that was before my time. From time to time, during my over seven years with [ADL], we got calls about anti-Semitic incidents, which we investigate. There was some graffiti; there was a swastika; children were in school, tests would be scheduled on a holiday kind of thing. But nothing that compared with the vilification that took place back east. We hear that; that a more ecumenical sense of community existed here; in fact, more stories about anti-Semitism are heard more currently than historically. We think, and my take on it is, that as the population grew here and we got more of the Jewish people from the East Coast, they brought their experiences with them. I don't want to say they looked a little harder, but I think in some cases they might have even provoked incidents. Interesting. I talk to young people who have gone through high school here; they never were singled out for being Jewish. But I think that one of the things that the eastern people brought us from the East Coast was the anti?Semitism stream. It's become more so. 5 What we did here is, following the framework of the national office, was to go heavily into our education program, which goes on under the banner of A World of Difference, specifically No Place for Hate; that's a program we offer free of charge to the schools. Our philosophy is that until there's an inoculation against bigotry and hate, the only thing we really have is education. We spend quite a bit of our resources and time in the schools. We also are the largest nongovernmental law enforcement training agency in the country. We have a whole staff scattered all over the country who spend their time learning about and checking the activity of all sorts of extremist groups, much more so than any law enforcement agency would have the time to do or be legally able to do because we have no rules restricting how deeply we can investigate. I was going to say, how do you accomplish that? The internet. It's going where you don't belong. It's a lot of secret kind of stuff. The FBI, Metro, whoever, there's laws restricting how much bugging they can do. We are under no such [restriction]. So we provide a great deal of information. We're a huge source of information for them. So there is no restriction for a private citizen to try to do their own research. Correct. So we have become a very reliable source of information. When people find out that you've been the source of information?or do they find out that you've been the source of information??are there repercussions? We don't ever ask for credit. We don't ever ask for publicity. We've had a director in one city whose car was blown up in their driveway. There was another incident in San Diego where a brick was thrown through an office window. There have been some repercussion, but fortunately not here. Explain the education. What's that like when you go into a school? We have a huge curriculum department in New York, and they have great appropriate curriculum. It might be just role playing activities. We have things that go from first graders up through high school. 6 We have college programs all fitting into the A World of Difference program. Some use books. But the idea is to [increase] sensitivity and awareness. It's very successful. You never know if you impact a child. But we feel it's very important. The other aspect of our education [outreach is] teacher training on how to teach the Holocaust. We have extensive curriculum on that, also. Does that work in conjunction with the Holocaust Resource Center here? We work with the Holocaust Resource Center. We've worked up in Washoe up in Reno. Whenever the Resource Center does their teacher training, we always have a part of one of those programs where we put our take on it. What I brought to this office was a sense of partnership. I think it was extremely important here. I also had a choice. Although ADL?s roots are Jewish, knowing what I knew, or at least what I thought I knew about the community, I had a choice when I took over the position, which had been vacant for many months and had sort of dropped in its activity; I could have either taken a very strong Jewish route or decided to more embrace the community. My choice was to reach out and embrace the community. So we had developed partnerships with the LGBT community, the FBI, with Metro. We did a woman's program awhile back, can you really have everything? kind of having it all. I believe that since our activities support the entire community, and we're in the public schools, it is good to have the support of the whole community, and we do. I am very proud of this. We also have a legal luncheon once a year where we choose someone that shares our values. Last year it was Barbara Buckley. We've done...the federal building named after Lloyd George. Our attendance of two hundred is split fifty Jewish, fifty not. Our major event, our big dinner, every year is five?, six hundred people, and I would say, again, it's probably a fifty?fifty split. I found it to be the right route to take and I believe it was. Is that similar in other parts of country? 7 No. Some are very Jewish. It depends upon the community. If you go to an ADL dinner in Miami, Denver, or Los Angeles, I think you'll find seventy?five percent plus attendance is going to be Jewish; but here that is not the case. We have really branched out to say we are a community; we care about the entire community. I found that to be very satisfying. You've been doing that since 2007; is that correct? Yes, I put in a little over seven years. So your measure of satisfaction and success, I hear it through all these programs. Have we not touched or are there other examples? Why there are thirty regional offices, of course, is to fundraise, to keep the main ship going. We've been very, very successful. Again, we receive money from the entire community. This past year we were very fortunate to be the recipient of an extremely generous Barrick Gold gift. What's that? Barrick Gold, mining company, for our education programs. It was an extraordinarily large gift, over several years. For our little four?person office, it was a very big deal. That's going to permit us to do a lot more educational programming here in the community, branch out to more schools. We have one education person. So it's going to allow a lot more activity. We were thrilled to get that. The old?time Las Vegas families have supported us for years. We've had the Greenspuns for years. We've had the [Art] Marshalls. Of course, Burton Cohen is a past president. Mike Cherry is a past president. Our current president, Ellis Landau, who's been president a long time?we have no bylaws, or at least, I was never able to find any. So that was almost good. We've worked it so we accomplish what we need to do. It's twofold; it's getting the money that we need as well as supporting the national mission. The reward for doing your job well is more job. So our 8 goal has gone up every year. And then providing a service to the community. Does the community come to you, or how do you approach the community? How does the educational dynamic work? We have relationships with the school district, all the way up to the superintendent and the office of diversity. We are able to reach out and explain [the programming] to them. They put us in different meeting arenas [with] the area superintendents here, and then we're invited into schools. Our anti?bullying program is very well accepted. We have done a lot with cyberbullying. I've served on private school panels on cyberbullying. I find most of Las Vegas is a people?to?people process. The whole idea of bullying?what have we learned about that with young people? What's changed bullying most dramatically is the internet and the ability to stay anonymous whereas if you go up to the schoolyard and bully somebody, you have to show your face. On your cellphone, you don't need to do that. We have found [through] extensive research that girls are meaner than boys. We've brought in speakers of parents whose children have committed suicide because of bullying. When we go into the schools, if there's a bullying issue, it usually has some cyber angle to it and very dangerous. Wow. Scary, isn't it? It really is. Do you have any questions about the organizations? I'm speaking to Emily here. EMILY: I thought the law enforcement, and I guess you can call it intelligence gathering aspect, was very interesting. Yes. For example, about six months ago?I am a generalist; I am not an attorney. Many of our offices are led by attorneys. New York has a huge staff of people who are very knowledgeable in certain fields. I would reach out and bring somebody in. For over a hundred and sixty?five Metro and other law enforcement, we did something on the sovereign citizens and the timing just happened to be right before 9 the Bundy explosion. As the higher?ups at Metro have told me...not only are they busy, but everybody can't know everything. So we were incredibly timely on that; sovereign citizens. We learned at that particular meeting that one of the park district police here had stopped a car in Sunset Park. It turned out they were sovereigns. They didn't really realize it. They were lucky they weren't killed because sovereigns pay no respect to government. Are you familiar with the Bundy episode here? EMILY: No. Cattle were grazing on land that they shouldn't have up by Mesquite. Bureau of Land Management (BLM). BLM land. But the main problem was they didn't believe the government had rules to say you couldn't do that. The worst part about it was it was like a rally point for these sovereign citizen kinds of individuals, and they started coming down here from all over. That was the scariest part about it. Yes. They're very militant. That was what was scary. Las Vegas has its cells of extremists. There's no doubt about it. But it was frightening how fast people came down when that bell rang. Yes. It ended up with two police officers being murdered by two extremists within the extremist group. It started with an offshoot. We meet with law enforcement and said, ?What would you like to learn about? What do you think you need to know about?? We actually had someone come in about four months ago and did how terrorists group recruit like in Southern California over this country and then they go...for ISIS or whoever. We had a huge amount of information that we were able to share. No law enforcement agency has the time or the manpower to be able to do that kind of thing. We run a training seminar in Washington once a year where officers are invited. Many apply, few 10 are chosen. We take a special group to Israel every year. Every FBI agent who trains at Quantico in Virginia [participates] is one portion of the training that we do at the Holocaust Library in Washington, D.C. So we, the Anti?Defamation League, are a part of every FBI agent's training experience. The thing that we don't have is a tremendous amount of publicity. Part of that was a money thing; it's a funding thing. So we don't toot our own horn very often. So what kind of training did you have to go through to take on this position? Our website is phenomenal. There's a lot to read. My boss at the time?not Abe Foxman, who is now the retiring director after fifty years and an icon in the world of Jewish professionals?but my regional boss. The joke always was, ?We give you a key and a computer and tell you to go do ADL.? So I walked in with a strong sense of Jewish communal work after fifty years. Because I had lived here the first time, I sort of knew the community, which was very essential. Then you read a lot, and you find out about things that ordinarily would have passed me by. You learn who at national is really smart on a topic that you need to know and you reach out to those people. It really has been the best of all my working experiences. I have to say it has really been the best. Being in this community and seeing the support?and we've gotten some younger families. On our executive board when I first got here, sometimes Burton and Art Marshall would get into it at a board meeting. To hear the two of them go back and forth with each other, we could've paid money for that. Mike Cherry is a former president, now a Nevada Supreme Court judge. The respect that the agency has in the community, I think, is due to the people that supported it from the very beginning. Our honorees have included the local people. Who are some of the honorees that you can think of? Sandoval way before he was governor; the Marshalls. Barbara Greenspun was an honoree. Bilbray. Bible. We never just honored Jewish people. 11 Probably the biggest coups in my stay here is when we honored Shelley Berkley and Ellis, and Victor Chaltiel and his wife [Toni]. The year before we had Jan Jones as an honoree. We were talking to Jan Jones, ?What kind of program would you like to have for a major speaker?? The joke always is, ?Well, we?d love Bill Clinton.? And she said, ?Bill? Yeah, he probably would do that.? And for no speaker fee, we had Bill Clinton. Wow. We had Bill Clinton. We had seven hundred and fifty people. It was a highlight of my career. It was absolutely, positively incredible. Again, Jan, not Jewish, but well-connected. She's a former mayor. Yes. She's now an executive at Caesars. When you honor someone, what's the criteria that you're looking at? In my day, the criteria was that you really need to do more than just bring money to the table; somewhere in your life has to represent the standard, the ideals of the organization, and then a little a affluence and a little influence isn't bad. But someone who agrees with our principles and really has added to the community. Very good. There really aren't a lot of Jewish organizations here, and I think that we really hold a very high position here in Las Vegas. Again, I'll always go back to the fact of the people that have supported us from the very beginning. So this honoree, there's a dinner. Is this your major fundraiser? Yes. And then we have the lawyer event in May, which is not anywhere near as big, but very significant to the community because we have become the premier lawyer event. Describe what that is. 12 We honor a lawyer. Like Barbara Buckley and Lloyd George. Sam Lionel accepted it for the first time we did it. People couldn't believe. He would never agree to be honored to do anything or be anything. But it meant enough to him that it was us. In fact, we asked him if we could name the award after him and he said no. But he was our first honoree. It's just a quick and easy luncheon thing. We bring in a speaker. At the last one, I had invited one of my friends, Tim Wong, who is the owner of Arcata Associates, which is an engineering [services company], and he called me the next day. He said, ?Phyllis, I couldn't believe it.? He said, ?I thought I was going to be the only non?Jewish person in the room. You had everybody there; you had everybody there.? It is so satisfying that we have become so inclusive of the entire community. We have a stance on immigration. We reach out to the Hispanic community, certainly. We have good friends in the Sikh community here. We sit on interfaith boards. We've tailored our particular branch of the ADL to fit. I hope that some of my footprint will continue, but change brings change. Yes. So you retired from that position just in the past couple of weeks. I'm a three?week retiree. Who's assuming your position? My development director is?right now, it's a dual position. So Jolie [Brislin] is. I don't know if they're going to keep it as a dual position because they want to see if they could cut expenses in the smaller offices. It's possible that she will be both the development director and my job, but my job will be structured a little bit differently. Everybody wants to save money, don't they? Exactly. Coming in as a Chicagoan to this community...I truly do love living here. I think Las Vegas is an 13 easy place to live. I have traditional Jewish roots. I'm not extremely religious. I don't seek those things out. So even when I came here twenty years ago and there weren't ninety?eight temples, it's always been Jewish enough for me. Not having small children here, I'm not faced with those kinds of situations. But I think it's a very welcoming community and very easy to live in. I like talking about the roots. Let's talk about your family heritage. How far back can you go in your family tree? Tell us a little bit about it. My father's family is primarily Russian; my mother's Polish. My parents were both born here; my father in Kansas City and my mother in Chicago. The only charity I ever heard of as a kid was my father belonged to B'nai B'rith. At that point the ADL was a part of B'nai B'rith. It broke off. Oh, it was, okay. It broke off from B'nai B'rith probably thirty years ago, but I could be wrong. Some of our pension stuff still goes thru B?nai B?rith. I remember my father's B'nai B'rith meetings at our house, which was a card playing meeting. In the morning, he always sent money to ADL. So it's funny that really that was the only charity I ever heard of in my house. The fact that I've ended up there is to me very interesting. We had a traditional family, though we were never particularly religious. Did you experience anti?Semitism personally? In Chicago, a little bit; a little bit in school, not in college, not at Illinois. But in elementary school I remember. I remember the girls' names, as a matter of fact. ?You dirty Jew? kind of thing. But, again, I think the New York area was the worst hit. But in Chicago, there were Jewish neighborhoods. They didn't have the walls, but they could've. There was the Polish neighborhood, the Italian neighborhood, the 14 Jewish neighborhood. My public high school was probably 90 percent Jewish, public high school, 90 percent Jewish. Again, that isn't the case here. When you first visited Las Vegas, what was the city like to you, in general? I believe the first time I came here was in 1963 as a newly married person. I wish I could remember more. I remember always getting dressed up, though, and all that. Came back again in 1969?70 with my then two?year?old son. My father was a traveling salesman and he sold coin?counting equipment, and he sold coin?counting equipment here. He was gone by the time I got here. He was in those back counting rooms all the time and had developed a relationship with Al Sachs, who ran the Stardust. When we came here and stayed at the Stardust, my dad said, ?Go introduce yourself to Al Sachs.? I remember bringing my then two?year?old son to Al Sachs, and Al kibitzing with Joseph. ?Are you married, Joseph?? He had quite a sense of humor. Not until later did I really realize who Al Sachs was and that whole scene, any more than I realized when I watch Casino or any of those and you heard, ?Paging Mr. Cohen; paging Mr. Cohen.? I've gone back and watched some of those things because I have a far deeper understanding of what really went on here. I know a lot of people miss it, but I'm sure it was a very different city. It was. It really is a city off the screen, so to speak. I do remember being shocked the first time I went to Ner Tamid, which was the synagogue I had joined when I came. They were in the old building, the reform synagogue. I'm looking and there's this giant sign that says, ?The M. Dalitz Religious School.? I remember saying, ?The M. Dalitz Religious School, Murder for Hire? Really?? That just blew me away. There it was. The sign is still there, ?The M. Dalitz.? Then I learned, and am fascinated by, how things worked and how things got done. 15 You want to elaborate on that? Everybody here, I find, carries cash and money. Cash is a hundred?dollar bill. When things needed to be done here, from what I gather, the powers that be sat around the table and said, ?We need to have a religious school,? and people went into their roll of money and came up with it. Paper currency to me is still interesting because I never carried money, and now I always have a hundred?dollar bill folded up in my wallet. I always have money. Kenny Epstein and I went to college together. Really? Sort of knew him. He was a little ahead of me. Different high schools, two Jewish high schools. We've had some talks about how things were so different here than in Chicago. So that's a strange thing. But I find it all very charming. Maybe that's the wrong choice of words. But I'm still fascinated by it. When I travel now...I mean you would never think of going into a drugstore in Chicago and giving him a hundred?dollar bill to buy a roll of Tums. They look at you. I mean they really look at you. Here, they don't look at you funny if you give them a hundred dollars for a one-dollar item. That's an interesting observation. I hadn't thought about that. That's great. Nobody looks at you funny here. I'm one of those people that although I haven't lived here long, I'm sorry to see the growth as rampant as it is. I'm sorry to see the traffic grow as it is growing. I really enjoyed it simpler. But compared to other places, we're nowhere near as busy. The ?sidedness? of the community bothers me. I call it ?sidedness;? are you Summerlin or are you Henderson? Oh, yes. I know it influences policy and all sorts of things. What neighborhood did you decide to tuck yourself into? 16 I lived in Henderson from the very beginning both times. But the advice I was g