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% MR. GRIFFITH! And the state engineer has no right to refuse a permit unless there is no more unappropriated water in the aquacade? MR. McNAMEEi That’s right. MR, CASE! I should like to clear up one or two questions, or add a few points that will shed a little light on the subject. In the first place, there’s talk of whether the Basic Magnesium water operation may shut down the first of the year. That’s a pessimistic statement. I would like to point out that we still have a war emergency out there in the shape of ohlorine. That must operate and the water plant must operate. We have put an Anaconda man in the water plant who will probably not go over the hill like some others have done. As long as Anaconda and BMI has an obligation under their contract, I can assure everyone that this water plant will continue to operate, and not be taken apart and sold. We have a contract with DPC, under which BMI has certain obligations. Another thing, there’s the cost that Mr. Smith mentioned. Those oosts were for large scale operations at the plant and I don’t think they included the operation of pumping into town, whioh would be necessary to bring the water up to this area. Therefore, if you cut the volume down, and you do any more pumping, the oost will be much higher, MR. STOCKERi Mr, McNamee made the statement that the water from Charle­ston Mountains comes down here. In 1940* we made a survey of the Charleston range, and an engineer accompanied us. This survey was misplaced in the courthouse, and we can’t find it, but he made a statement that a little over 30$ of the water of Charleston Range on this side of the Potessi mountains came this way. The other water is going through the subterranean tunnel, into the Pahrump Valley and other places, We made a survey and took under consideration getting water from Lake Mead. Basic Magnesium was not there at the time. It was around 22 miles from the Charleston Range before the water was going into the subterranean channels. There could be a sufficient supply of water in Las Vegas with the construction of reservoirs, Mr, Shamberger was present at one of those meetings, and we went into it quite extensively at the time. All of the water from Charleston Range reaches the reservoir underneath the Las Vegas Valley, MR. SLOANi There has been some discussion that water from Willow Creek could be piped down — Would that be taking water from the underground flow? Is it taking it from one source and putting it into another? Does it take away from the underground supply? IE. SHAMBERGER! Probably only 30$, or maybe less, that falls from the rain and snow finally reaches underground storage on account of evaporation. We never looked into the possibility of storage there at Willow Creek, and if there is a proper damsite, it might be feasible, CHAIRMAN KELCHi One question has been discussed privately by people in Las Vegas, that is, if some agency should bring in water from some other source, would the Union Pacific be willing to relinquish their holdings to the City? MR. STRONG! I would say so, at a fair prioe. I would assume you mean taking over all the facilities they have, not only the pipe lines in the City but everything else connected with the water operation, CHAIRMAN KELCHi The thought behind my question comes from the previous discussion that the Union Pacific would encourage the development of water for the (15)