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Transcript of interview with Doris Evans by Lance Kenny, March 12, 1977







On March 12, 1977, Lance Kenny interviewed realtor, Doris Evans (born in Dexter, Missouri) at her place of business, Doris Evans Realty, located at 1100 Cahlan Drive, Las Vegas, Nevada. This interview covers Boulder City and Las Vegas [1937-1977]. During the interview Doris discusses real estate, local hotels, early transportation, and social recreation. She also mentions the nuclear tests, crime, environmental changes, and marriage and family life in Boulder City and Las Vegas. Doris’s business partner, Patty (Renette Beringer), is also present during the interview and helps Doris recall the year they started Doris Evans Realty in Las Vegas, Nevada.

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UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans i An Interview with Doris D. Evans An Oral History Conducted by Lance Kenny Ralph Roske Oral History Project on Early Las Vegas Special Collections and Archives Oral History Research Center University Libraries University of Nevada, Las Vegas UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans ii © Ralph Roske Oral History Project on Early Las Vegas University of Nevada, Las Vegas, 2017 UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans iii The Oral History Research Center (OHRC) was formally established by the Board of Regents of the University of Nevada System in September 2003 as an entity of the UNLV University Libraries’ Special Collections Division. The OHRC conducts oral interviews with individuals who are selected for their ability to provide first-hand observations on a variety of historical topics in Las Vegas and Southern Nevada. The OHRC is also home to legacy oral history interviews conducted prior to its establishment including many conducted by UNLV History Professor Ralph Roske and his students. This legacy interview transcript received minimal editing, such as the elimination of fragments, false starts, and repetitions in order to enhance the reader's understanding of the material. All measures have been taken to preserve the style and language of the narrator. The interviewee/narrator was not involved in the editing process. UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans iv Abstract On March 12, 1977, Lance Kenny interviewed realtor, Doris Evans (born in Dexter, Missouri) at her place of business, Doris Evans Realty, located at 1100 Cahlan Drive, Las Vegas, Nevada. This interview covers Boulder City and Las Vegas [1937-1977]. During the interview Doris discusses real estate, local hotels, early transportation, and social recreation. She also mentions the nuclear tests, crime, environmental changes, and marriage and family life in Boulder City and Las Vegas. Doris’s business partner, Patty (Renette Beringer), is also present during the interview and helps Doris recall the year they started Doris Evans Realty in Las Vegas, Nevada. UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans 1 [Tape starts midsentence] let’s see, what basically brought you to Las Vegas? Mostly because my husband wanted to go with the Bureau of Mines, wanted to be employed by then U.S. Bureau of Mines, that was one of his dreams always, plus the fact that there was absolutely no work in Missouri. Mm-hm. Even though he was a graduate like a lot of other graduates, he was selling apples on the street, any way he could to make a few nickels. I see. Where about from Missouri did you come from? Southeast Missouri. We both came from Dexter, Missouri, originally. Mm-hm. Then my husband had gone to school in (unintelligible) and (unintelligible) school of mines, the Missouri School of Mines, and so then, during the Depression we were up there during, he was doing some research work on clays for the School of Mines there and for the government. What was really called a WPA job, because the government was paying people that were out of work, and especially engineers, if they were lucky enough to get on and I was teaching school doing substitute teaching at that time. Then this opportunity came along for us to come to Nevada and we never even heard of Nevada. Mm-hm. Looked it up on the geography map to see exactly where it was. (Laughs) Mm-hm. It’s kind of like my home state, too. Yes. (Laughs) So and he was out here for about three months before I came. Because housing was a very difficult thing in Boulder City. They were tearing down the houses there as fast as they would vacate them. We had a city manager by the name of Simms Ely, beautiful old UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans 2 gentleman, but he could not bear to have one single house in the city of Boulder City. And as soon as one was vacated it was cleared off, the whole lot was cleared off, and, but we were very fortunate to be able to rent a house, set up, we wouldn’t even put our tenants in out on the farm. But at least we got a place to live. Mm-hm. And we paid thirty dollars a month for our apartment. Pretty good. I see. So when exactly did you move to Boulder City? In 1937. Ah, I see. At a salary of nineteen—eighteen hundred and twenty dollars a year and we didn’t know what we would ever be able to do with all the money. That seemed like such a lot of money. Mm-hm. Then he was with the Bureau of Mines until he retired nine years ago. Uh-huh. I see. So that would be 1968? Mm-hm. When he retired? When he retired. Uh-huh. And he enjoyed being with the Bureau of Mines. It’s been something he’d always wanted. Mm-hm. And it couldn’t come at a more opportune time because we was definitely looking for something to do. Mm-hm. UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans 3 So we moved to Boulder City, there were not even what we call swamp coolers. They had a window cooler and you arranged the hose up over a frame that went over the window and had excelsior in there and on the inside you had a fan. You turn this fan on and you had the water dripping over this excelsior and that brought in the cool air. Mm-hm. It was very, when we came here, very hot. Hm. Very sandy. And Boulder Dam had just been completed before we came here. Mm-hm. So, you did have a water cooler when you did come to Nevada then? That type. Mm-hm. A window type. I see. Did that manage to cool the whole house or just one room? Well, just one room, practically. Mm-hm. A lot of people got pneumonia from, they’d be so warm coming in from the heat and they would crawl on the sofa or something in front of it to cool off and many people got pneumonia. There was a lot of sickness from that sort of thing. It was only to keep cool. I see. What made you want to move from Boulder City to Las Vegas? We had a break in there, we went back to the farm for a short time. Mm-hm. Eighteen months we were in Missouri farming and that didn’t work out very well. So then we came back and when we came back, we moved to Boulder City, I mean to Las Vegas. UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans 4 I see. First to Boulder City and then on over to Las Vegas and then owned a motel on the Strip. Mm-hm. And my husband drove back and forth to Boulder City and that. What hotel was this? What motel? Yes. Ah, the Alaskan Motel. Mm-hm. At that time it was the most beautiful motel in Las Vegas. Course they’ve built many, many much more fabulous now. What other motels were existing at that time that we can see today? The Gateway. I’m sure that— Was there. The Monterey. The Hamilton House was down on Fremont. There weren’t too many motels. Mm-hm. When (unintelligible) had it out there on the Strip I can’t remember the name of it but it’s now where they’re putting in the new casino that Jackie Young has been negotiating to put in a casino there. But there were very few. The hotels at that time were the El Rancho, The Frontier, The Flamingo and then the Desert Inn came after that. Mm-hm. Then after that the Thunderbird (unintelligible) until all the great big ones came in. UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans 5 I see. So they have done quite an extensive job with the remodeling to keep the looks. Oh yes. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. ‘Cause yes, I really didn’t realize that there at all. Oh yes, mm-hm. Okay. The El Rancho, of course, burned down several years ago. Mm-hm. And it was on the corner of Sahara and Las Vegas Boulevard North, South. I see. Didn’t it used to be called Sixth, Sixth Street? Fifth Street? Fifth Street. I see. When I was at the Alaskan Motel, the address was 1208 Fifth Street. Okay. Not Las Vegas Boulevard South. When did they change it to Las Vegas Boulevard South? I think that’s been about ten years ago, something like that. Okay. So I guess it’s easier. Mm-hm. But it used to be, everything was North Fifth and South Fifth. Mm-hm. So it was referred to. What street would be the dividing line between north and south (unintelligible)? Yes. Fremont. Fremont. Okay. UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans 6 Mm-hm. Just Fremont? Mm-hm. Same today. Ah. Where about did you live when you came to Las Vegas? We lived in the motel first. Mm-hm. And then when we sold that we went to Charleston and Cahlan (unintelligible) Mm-hm. And how long have you been living at Cahlan? Twenty-seven years. We sold that in 1950. Mm-hm. And I think as I told you before, we paid seventeen thousand five hundred for it. We didn’t know how we’d ever get a (unintelligible) and now it’s worth over two hundred thousand. Mm-hm. It’s appreciated quite a bit. Yes. Mm-hm. I—we had one son that went through Las Vegas High School here. He wasn’t an angel by any means. But gambling never had any effect on him. Never. My nephew came out, I raised him, got him through high school, and gambling did interest him. Mm. Because he came from a small town but Jeff was brought up in it. As far as he was concerned the hotels were a nice place to go for dinner, and the Downtown, he knew where the Golden Nugget was. But he knew, but he never been in it. Mm. When Chuck was going to high school was there like the main drag? Yes. Like Fremont is today? UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans 7 Mm-hm. Is it the same street? Where Fremont is today and the Strip, you know. Right. He went to Las Vegas High School, was the only high school here. My nephew, Sam Darby, also went there. Mm-hm. And they both graduated there and they both went to the university in Reno. Mm-hm. And what did Chuck happen to major in? He, construction engineering. He was a structural engineer. Uh-huh. At this degree. Sam did not graduate; came back and became an electrician, and was president of the Union two years ago, probably three years. Mm. Were politics ever active in your life? Yes. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. Always take an interest in whoever’s running. Especially (unintelligible) federal offices. Mm-hm. I heard that Jerry Brown was in town last year when we had– Yes. (Laughs) (Unintelligible) Who told you that? You just heard about it? Word gets around. UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans 8 (Laughs) Yes. Jerry Brown is a very, very good friend of my granddaughter and her husband in California and he wanted a reception in Las Vegas, in a home. Mm-hm. And I said to my granddaughter, “Well I know people here who have beautiful pretentious homes I can ask any of them, and they’d be glad to have a reception for him.” And my granddaughter said, “But Dotty, he doesn’t want a pretentious home, he wants a modest home. He’s not the wayward type that would want the most fabulous home in Las Vegas for his reception.” So I said, “Like what?” And she said, “Like your house.” I said, “You mean you want to have that reception at our house?” She said, “That’s exactly where I think it should be.” So I’d just gotten in from Missouri, in fact I talked to her from Missouri, was there visiting, got in on Monday morning and the following Sunday we had the reception in our house. Mm-hm. We had about four hundred and fifty people; had it catered, had two bartenders, and hardly anybody drank one drop of booze. There was some wine and beer and that was consumed by younger people, not the people who really were there just to see and hear Jerry Brown. Mm-hm. He spoke right in front of our fireplace. My husband was introduced by Jim Santini and my husband introduced Jerry Brown. And out of the four hundred and fifty people, not even any shuffled a foot or said a word. Mm-hm. Were all the people inside the house? No. We had to open the patios doors and some were out in the back, off the patio there, in there yard, and on the patio. Mm-hm. UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans 9 And we had a bar set up out there and one set up in the house but no one was even interested in drinking. They were all too excited they were seeing Jerry Brown. Mm-hm. Sounds fantastic, you know, very few people get to experience somebody, you know, that close. Mm-hm. I know him very, very well now and we went to all the things that they had for him when he was running. Uh-huh. Did you just meet him then or had you known him already? I met him at the airport, my granddaughter’s husband was with him all the way through the campaign, and I knew he was coming in on the plane and he made a speech at the airport and I think they had about two hours’ notice, and the airport was filled with people there to say hello to him. Mm-hm. So that was the first time I met him and since then I have been with him several times, he doesn’t have time for social life or anything like that. Mm-hm. Seems to be a very busy man. Mm-hm. Very conscientious about his job. That’s good, that’s really good. But as far as local politics, do you follow? Oh yes, I’m always interested in who’s mayor and who’s on the county commission and the city commission. But I don’t take a negative part in the campaign. Oh no. Strictly worked hard for Jim Santini. I see. What made you want to go into the real estate business in Las Vegas? UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans 10 Well, I think I’ve always been a realtor all my life but I never thought I’d ever sell a piece of property, when I started studying and studying just to, for the knowledge, I would know what it was all about. Mm. And then, I never even planned to take the test. But as the test time came and everybody else was signing up for it, I thought, well, I might as well sign up and see if I can pass it, you know. Mm-hm. ‘Cause there were always so many flunking. And, so I decided I’d take it just for the kicks, you know. So I took the test and did pass it and had enjoyed studying it. So when I got my salesman (unintelligible) I did sell a piece of property. Had my license hanging with (unintelligible) and then I kept on studying and going to school because I found that very fascinating subject and of course I was older than when I first started and the more I studied the more I liked it. And I went to lectures and things like that and so then I (unintelligible) and passed the test. About six months later I decided, well, maybe could sell something. Mm-hm. I always gave things, all my services were always free to people who looking for homes to rent or to buy or a piece of land, you know, and I’d scour around till I found something for them or from their own thing. So then I got started selling and the bug bit me and I’ve been selling ever since. Mm-hm. Can’t think of anything more exciting to do with my life. Uh-huh. When did you first establish your realty? About 1975, wasn’t it Patty? UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans 11 (Unintelligible) January 19—was ’74. (Unintelligible) Yes, ’75. Seventy-five. So you— Under Doris Evans Realty, that I was selling (unintelligible) Did you buy (unintelligible)? Yes. Mm-hm. I see. Patty and I did. Oh. (Unintelligible) Mm-hm. Since Las Vegas has (unintelligible) nuclear test site, I was wondering if you could recall any experiences as far as aboveground atomic testing. Well, I saw the first thing go up at four o’clock. It was around Easter time and I couldn’t tell you the year. Mm-hm. But practically everybody in town got up to go and see it and it just made a great big flash of red in the sky, over in the northwest (unintelligible) Mm-hm. It was quite exciting. Interesting also that there’s some people who left their houses because they were afraid that they might fall down. UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans 12 I never gave it a thought. Mm-hm. I just went out to see the site. I see. Now we have had bombs that would shake the houses, you know, and I had a very pretty vase that fell off of a shelf and broke during one, but I thought, well, that’s part of progress, you know, so I lost a vase. Mm-hm. (unintelligible) The strength of the atomic bomb. (Unintelligible) Let’s see. Was, would you happen to know if the test site was flooded with claims, you know, for damage? There was a lot in the paper, especially up around Beatty, Tonopah, in those areas. Mm-hm. The people claimed that they were—that some of the radiation or something from it. But my son who worked there said it was just a lot of talk and nobody was ever hurt from it. He laughed at me when I mentioned it. Mm-hm. Course they always evacuated all the people who were up there. They weren’t supposed to be there. Mm-hm. A lot of people skipped in to get closer than they were supposed to. You heard of Widow Makers Road? Yes. All the time. (Laughs) That’s before the freeway. UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans 13 I see. That was when there were so many people going up there and they didn’t have the freeway then. Mm-hm. Ah, how come it was named that? Do you have any idea? No. (Laughs) Because so many people were killed. Uh-huh. In accidents coming down the road up there. I see. Has McCarran Field always been the main airport for Las Vegas? (Unintelligible) Boulder City? It was he little old, well, there was one in Boulder City, Swift Air, they called it over there. We could fly out from there to Albuquerque. McCarran Field was just a little old place to start with. Mm-hm. And most people didn’t use the planes, you know, they went by train. But it certainly was (unintelligible) you know, especially for the (unintelligible) Quite an important part. Oh yes, today it is. As far as Las Vegas is— And you see it was very big here. Mm-hm. They had the Challenger, which was a tourist freight train, and they had their first class trains. Mm-hm. So when I first went back and forth from Missouri it was always on the Challenger, (unintelligible) Mm-hm. UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans 14 Took about three days to get to St. Louis, two nights and three days. That’s why I like the trains. Mm-hm. Trains are (unintelligible) they have a certain, I guess you can call them (unintelligible) certainly enjoyable, right? Mm-hm. Did you happen to commute anywhere else frequently? No. Not too frequently. Mm-hm. When you had summers and that did you say leave for a vacation or something like this? I would usually go back to Missouri in the summer. But I wasn’t one who went to the beach to sit in the sun, in the first place, it was very expensive to do something like that. So I wasn’t one who (unintelligible) Mm-hm. Where you and your husband married in Las Vegas? No. We were married in— The southeast? Mm-hm. Mm-hm. I see. (Unintelligible) Well, we were married in the home where I was married and our son was born in that house. They wouldn’t even let me go to a hospital, they were afraid we’d get the babies mixed up and (unintelligible) Mm-hm. Ah, so you moved out here with Charles? Mm-hm. He was two and a half. UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans 15 Oh, I see. When we came out here and the doctors that (unintelligible) he wasn’t ever going to live. Mm-hm. Because he was born (unintelligible) and he did look like a little pigeon, a (unintelligible) hen and we lived in Boulder City probably about seven or eight months when he started gaining weight. And he was just a picture of health and has been ever since. Mm-hm. So I kiss the air. So I guess Nevada must have some (unintelligible) Indeed. It certainly does. Now we’re getting smog. I don’t know whether I can say that or not. (Laughs) But at that time the air was so clear and so pure. I see. Was (unintelligible) back then? No. There was very little cloud, very little humidity. Mm. In the air. So I guess there is some, perhaps some unwanted changes taking place. Mm-hm. That’s for sure, everywhere. Mm-hm. Especially back east but as far as environmental changes has smog made a basic— Difference? Difference? Yes. Or has (unintelligible) also? UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans 16 Well, I think smog makes a great difference. Mm-hm. (Unintelligible) it’s too bad ‘cause I really hate to see it happen here, too. Mm-hm. Well, I guess (unintelligible) in opposing stricter emissions (unintelligible)? Well, yes. (Unintelligible) I would think. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. Yes. Definitely. Is Lake Mead a government (unintelligible)? I don’t know. That I couldn’t answer. They say it is but I couldn’t answer. Mm-hm. As far as your recreation (unintelligible) do you have any—ah, what exactly did you do for recreation? Oh, we used to go out on the lake and we’d have little trips on the lake and we would go to the Valley of Fire and to Mt. Charleston for picnics, and etcetera. I was always a bridge player, spend a lot of time playing bridge. Mm-hm. So you were a member of a bridge club? Oh yes. (Unintelligible) Mm-hm. Did you golf or play tennis? No. My husband played golf but I never have. Does he play at The Municipal? Municipal, Wynnewood, and then Craig and Black Mountain. I see. Does he have a favorite out of all those courses? UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans 17 I think he likes the new one better than all of them. Mm-hm. That’s what I figured (unintelligible) And senior citizens get to play much cheaper at that. (Laughs) I see. Always good to have some advantages. Mm-hm. Have you noticed any, I guess you would, being in Las Vegas, as you have noticed a great influx of people into Las Vegas? Oh yes. Mm-hm. And I guess the growth here has been phenomenal, hasn’t it? Terrific. I see. Just terrific. Prices are phenomenal, too. Mm-hm. Did this economic increase, did this, or a, let’s see, is the growth current, would you say, the last ten or fifteen years, just recently? Oh. I would say in the last ten or fifteen years it’s been greater than it was before then. Mm-hm. What areas have developed more like as east or the west side developed more? I think it’s all been in the west. It’s been, the west then, developed more. I see. As far as real estate goes and that? Mm-hm. Mm-hm. Broking, tract houses and that sort of thing. Mm-hm. As well as big (unintelligible) homes, all of it in the southwest area. Mm-hm. When you first moved here, was one section of town more populous than the other? UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans 18 No. Most of the populous was right down around Fifth Street or the Strip. Mm-hm. Within the radius of about ten or twelve blocks each direction. I see. Ah, as far as Downtown goes has it remained almost the same or? No. They put up a lot of beautiful hotels down there. Mm-hm. It’s (unintelligible) to get down there but they do have it, plus some beautiful hotels around. When we first came here there was hardly anything. There was Railroad Hotel which had the Sal Sagev, it was on the corner of Main and Fremont. There was an older one I think it was across the street from that but I don’t know the name. Did there used to be a Union Pacific Station? Oh yes. Where the union cross is, is that correct? Mm-hm. Is now. I remember thinking, I don’t know, when I was about three or four, I remember we went down and saw the train. Mm-hm. And being back here just passing through over Salt Lake going to California, it was where that Union Plaza’s at now. Mm-hm. Did they tear down the station? I think they tore it down completely. Mm-hm. UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans 19 And then they made a bus station back there, I don’t know by railroad to take it there now, I wouldn’t know. Mm-hm. But I doubt it. I see. Well, I guess the freeways here been (unintelligible) California. Oh sure. It’s been a really awful a lot of people. Mm-hm. Do you notice a great many people that commute from California, (unintelligible) to Las Vegas? Well, it seems like it now. Okay. See I know nothing about the hotels. Mm. You see. I see. Except the gongs of people I see like everybody else who does. Mm-hm. Are a lot of people moving much here? Yes. From California? Especially from the east. More from the east than from California. Mm-hm. For the climate? Would that be—? Probably. After the hard winter they’ve had there. Mm-hm. I’d say it’s probably a better climate. UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans 20 That’s interesting. Right now, what part of town is growing the fastest, would you feel that you’d need to say, would have the most potential in future years, as far as growth? I’m making a guess so. Uh-huh. And I would say the southwest. Mm-hm. Has North Las Vegas been sort of a dead horse? It has been but it should come in to its own now. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. Has (unintelligible) would you know? I don’t know. Mm-hm. (Unintelligible) As far as industry goes was Boulder City basically concerned with industry when you moved here? Or was it the dam basically? The dam had closed down. That’s why all the people were leaving, you know. I see. When we came here. And then, they opened the (unintelligible) mine. Mm-hm. Senator Scrugham was the one who wanted Nevada (unintelligible) anything had to do with mining or anything and that’s why (unintelligible) was chosen to come out here with this, if they’d do anything with the planes and but they were not (unintelligible) Mm-hm. Now, you’ve been able to maintain a lawn here? It’s true. Or have you, you’ve had to say, transport soil? UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans 21 Oh, every lawn in town is built. I see. The saying goes, “Nothing (unintelligible)” Mm-hm. (Unintelligible) or something. Mm. No. Anytime you see a lawn, it’s always been built. Mm. I see, I guess there are a few problems when building a pool here. (Unintelligible) Mm-hm. (Unintelligible) Hm. Oh, it’s the first time you said that. With the (unintelligible) that leaves here (unintelligible) Mm-hm. Different equipment. (Unintelligible) Oh, that’s interesting. As far as (unintelligible) the growth has it pretty much stayed the same? No. It’s grown. Mm-hm. I see. Well, has Las Vegas always been dependent on primarily gambling or was it the railroad? Well, the early days it was dependent upon the railroad. Mm-hm. That was the only thing there was here. Mm-hm. UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans 22 To bring in people. Everybody went to town, understand those who lived here either had something directly or indirectly to do with the railroad. Mm-hm. They had a big brown house here. Oh. So this was pretty much a railroad town. It was strictly a railroad town till Boulder Dam. And when Boulder Dam came, why, Las Vegas flourished. Mm-hm. Was there any major renaming of streets, such as Fifth Street to Las Vegas Boulevard? Casino Center was formerly Second Street. Uh-huh. I think they (unintelligible) Okay. Ah, Sahara was San Francisco. Mm-hm. Or San Francisco Boulevard. Let’s see, the last time interviewed you didn’t you say that the owners even named their own street or something like this? No. Our house was on the corner and we’d always used the West Charleston address. But then, when traffic got so heavy on this Charleston we had the big post office write us a letter and asked us if we had moved our mailbox over to the Cahlan at that time because the postman couldn’t stop easily on West Charleston. Mm-hm. Where about is Cahlan located? UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans 23 Cahlan? Yes. It’s a half a mile west of the Southern Nevada Memorial Hospital. Mm-hm. So is that very close from here? No. We’re on East Charleston. Right. (Tape ends) Oh, so you did have to change your address. Mm-hm. On request by the post office. Have you noticed any major trends in crime increase? Yes. In Las Vegas? But I don’t think it’s our Las Vegas people. I think it’s the people who come in here from out of towns (unintelligible) mean, they come to Las Vegas, to commit suicide or murder somebody or something. Mm-hm. Or lose their jewels. I see. So I guess, you could almost say that the transients were— Mm-hm. I think ninety percent of it. Mm-hm. I was reading about that one fellow that they haven’t seen here. Mm-hm. So I guess then there’s some, some crime committed. UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans 24 Yes. There definitely is and we don’t like it to happen but those things do happen. They happen in Chicago and New York and other cities, too. Mm-hm. But basically, does it affect you very much? Directly? Yes. Or? Not directly. But I’m concerned. Mm-hm. I’m really concerned. I’ve been very concerned about the pot or whatever they use in high school even from junior high, I’ve learned that some use drugs. I see. Alright. When did Chuck graduate? What year? Yes. From high school. It must have been about 1954, ’55, somewhere around there. I see. I don’t think there was any Clark County back then, was there? Not that I know of. Uh-huh. Mm-hm. Not that I know of. I see. At that time there were Blacks going to school and they were going to school with Blacks. But there was no problem. They all stayed to themselves at that time. Mm. There weren’t ever any riots or anything like that. Have there ever been any race riots— UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans 25 Oh sure. In Las Vegas? Mm-hm. Mm-hm. About six years ago there were quite a few of them in the schools. I see. But have there been quite a few minorities moving into Las Vegas? Yes. Mm-hm. Was it predominantly white when you (unintelligible) there, too? Predominantly. I see. And the Blacks all lived on what we call the Westside. But now they’re moving over to the other areas if they can afford it, and that’s fine. They used to make very good neighbors and pick up their property very well. Mm-hm. Wow. That’s nice. We had no problems about selling to ‘em just same as selling to anybody, a white. To anybody else, yes. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. Well, that’s very good, I guess. If they can qualify for the loan, you know. Mm-hm. But I never given any thought of that them living in a particular neighborhood anymore. At first it was kind of one of those things you thought about. Mm-hm. UNLV University Libraries Doris D. Evans 26 But anymore we don’t. I see. Well I do appreciate your time and telling for this interview and— Oh it’s alright. And for helping the university once again. (Laughs) Okay. Another interview. Okay, thank you very much. You’re welcome. And we were talking with Doris Evans at the office on East Charleston. East Charleston, 1431. Very good then. Thank you.