Meeting minutes for Consolidated Student Senate, University of Nevada, Las Vegas, October 24, 2005

I. CALL TO ORDER SENATE PRESIDENT ESPINOZA calls the meeting to order at 6:13pm II. ROLL CALL SENATOR LEWIS, SENATOR COCHRAN, SENATOR SENEVERATNE, SENATOR HERTER, SENATOR JOHNS, SENATOR VILLA, SENATOR WONG, SENATOR FLORES, SENATOR MOSES, SENATOR FARKAS, SENATOR WASHINGTON, SENATOR VAN HOUTEN, SENATOR DONNELLY, SENATOR NOVOTNY, SENATOR LACARRA, SENATOR JIMENEZ, SENATOR ALLER, SENATE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE MULLINAX, SENATOR DEARMAS, SENATOR MCINTOSH, were present SENATOR GONZALEZ arrives at 6:45pm SENATOR GABRIEL arrived at 6:50pm SENATOR FARKAS leaves at 8:05pm SENATOR LACARRA and SENATOR HERTER leave at 8:55pm III. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES ACTION The following minutes are submitted for approval: 35-30 SENATE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE MULLINAX motions to postpone until 36-01 SENATOR DONNELLY seconds SENATOR MCINTOSH abstained 19-0-1 i CSUNSENATE MEETING 35-31 MONDAY, October 24t h , 2005 MSU 201, 6:00PM V. REPORTS INFORMATION A. Senate Committee Reports SENATOR COCHRAN: No one showed up for the meeting so we didn't have quorum. SENATOR MOSES: The rebel Ruckus budget is way over budget. B. Faculty Senate/University Committee Reports C. Business Manager Report D. Liaison Reports i. Student Involvement Activities TOM STUDDERD: We have homecoming for next week. We have 70 entries for the parade. I would like to see people at the rebel variety show. Those who are looking for a position in one of the Greek councils, you need to go to the transitions meeting. LEAD team is hosting a program tomorrow in this room. Deadlines for spring rebel connection are due soon. We are struggling with student organization recognition. ii. Residence Hall Association SENATOR DONNELLY: Boo Bash is on Wednesday at 4 pm. Thursday is monster mash. iii. Student Athletics Director Ponchavinin: They are doing a class check for all athletics to make sure they are going to class. UNLV has a 52% graduation percentage for our athletics. Everyone needs to call Cox Cable so that they can put CSTV so we can watch the Rebels play. Overall athletics went from 109th to 62nd. 51% of our student athletes have a 3.0 gpa or higher. iv. Student Health Advisory Committee v. ROTC Cadet Julio Alvarado: We have training for some of our cadets. We are going to do some common task training. Our cadets are doing great, and we are one of the top in the nation thanks to your support. vi. Leadership Advisory Board Director Ponchavinin: We have been working on our own personal development. E. Rebel Yell Report SENATOR JOHNS: We are looking for students to sit on the committee. If you want to be on it let me know after this meeting. 2 VI. EXECUTIVE BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS INFORMATION VICE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE FERREL: If you are a non returning senator you have your name plates but not the holder. I ordered the new senate their stuff as well. The blue golf cart will be painted white. VICE PRESIDENT LAGOMARSINO: Director Reports are all there in front of you. Homecoming is on the agenda as well. I am also working on my new code of conduct for the new session. Michael Thomas has lost quorum twice and has caused him some trouble. He always answers his phone when I call and in his office a lot. PRESIDENT GOATZ: Please tell your students to go to Michael Thomas. There is a lighting walk on Nov. 2 at 5:45pm. Love your body day went well. Alaina thanks you guys for supporting that. Murderball is in your reports. Director Bourdet made a ticket. Orientation for the 36th session will be next Monday. SENATE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE MULLINAX: Let's have a good effective meeting. Don't reiterate; it is annoying. You don't have to be a senator to be the pro tempore. SENATE PRESIDENT ESPINOZA: The game wasn't that good for us. Homecoming is coming up. This is our last meeting for this session. I hope everyone is there. Since bylaws did not meet, the items for that are ruled out of order. VII. UNFINISHED BUSINESS ACTION A. Action Item: Approval of an additional $200.00 increase in stipend for the Vice President Pro Tempore effective 10/1/05. Costs to be encumbered from the CSUN 2702 FY06 Wages budget. As submitted by the Executive Board. SENATOR VAN HOUTEN moves to approve SENATOR DONNELLY seconds SENATOR MOSES opposes SENATOR LACARRA, SENATOR NOVOTNY, SENATOR JOHNS abstain 18-1-3 Item passes B. Action Item: Discussion/Approval of request for $10,000 for testing and assessment of students with learning disabilities for the Disability 3 Resource Center. The funds would be used to purchase testing equipment, and pay for assessments of students. Currently, students are required to pay for private evaluations which can run from $400 -$4000. Approval of this proposal would provide those services at no cost to the student. Cost to be encumbered; $500 from Senator Jimenez individual account and $9,500 CSUN 2250-237-2713 Interest Bearing account. As submitted by Ways and Means Chair, Senator Jimenez SENATOR JIMENEZ moves to approve and amend SENATOR FARKAS 400, SENATOR FLORES 150 SENATOR HOOSHMAND 400 SENATOR HUERTA 500 SENATOR SENEVERATNE 200, SENATOR VILLA 200 SENATOR NOVOTNY 100 votenet 300 senate election 259.01 and 5990.99 SENATOR WASHINGTON seconds SENATE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE MULLINAX calls the question SENATOR DEARMAS seconds SENATOR JIMENEZ, SENATOR MOSES, SENATOR JOHNS and SENATOR NOVOTNY opposes 18-4-0 The question is called SENATE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE MULLINAX, SENATOR COCHRAN, SENATOR LACARRA, SENATOR VAN HOUTEN, SENATOR HERTER, SENATOR DONNELLY SENATOR WONG, SENATOR MCINTOSH, SENATOR FARKAS oppose SENATOR NOVOTNY SENATOR LEWIS abstain 11-9-3 Item fails SENATE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE MULLINAX moves to reconsider SENATOR COCHRAN seconds SENATOR LACARRA opposes SENATOR JIMENEZ abstains 2 1 - 1 - 1 4 Item is reconsidered SENATE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE MULLINAX moves to approve SENATOR VAN HOUTEN seconds SENATOR WASHINGTON moves to amend the item inserting after individual accounts SENATOR FARKAS $400, SENATOR FLORES $150, SENATOR HOOSHMAND $400, SENATOR HUERTA $500, SENATOR SENEVERATNE $200, SENATOR VILLA $200, SENATOR NOVOTNY $200, SENATOR JIMENEZ $500 and $1450 from the interest bearing account and striking "10,000 for testing assessments" and inserting "4,000 for testing equipment". SENATOR COCHRAN seconds SENATOR JIMENEZ SENATOR LACARRA abstains 20-0-2 Amendment passes SENATOR LACARRA SENATOR DONNELLY, SENATOR VAN HOUTEN oppose SENATOR JIMENEZ abstains 18-3-1 Item passes VIII. NEW BUSINESS ACTION A. Action Item: Approval of Senate Bill 35-06 which proposes changes to Bylaw 84 (Campus Life Bylaw), by changing Roman Numeral III, lowercase letter a, number iv, to withdraw the word "fallowing" and insert the word "following". As submitted by Senator Cochran. SENATE PRESIDENT ESPINOZA rules the item out of order B. Action Item: Approval of Senate Bill 35-XX which proposes changes to Bylaw 27. As submitted by Senator Cochran SENATE PRESIDENT ESPINOZA rules the item out of order C. Action Item: Approval of Senate Bill 35-XX which proposes rescinding Bylaw 68. As submitted by Senator Cochran 5 SENATE PRESIDENT ESPINOZA rules the item out of order D. Action Item: Approval of Senate Bill 35-XX which proposes changes to Bylaw 28. As submitted by Senator Cochran SENATE PRESIDENT ESPINOZA rules the item out of order E. Action Item: Approval of Senate Bill 35-XX which proposes changes to Bylaw 72. As submitted by Senator Cochran SENATE PRESIDENT ESPINOZA rules the item out of order F. Action Item: Approval of Senate Bill 35-XX which proposes a new Bylaw 85 AFROTC Liaison. As submitted by Senator Cochran SENATE PRESIDENT ESPINOZA rules the item out of order G. Action Item: Approval of a $260 increase in the Vice-President's salary for the month of November. Costs to be encumbered from the CSUN 2702 FY06 Wages Budget. As submitted by the executive board. SENATE PRESIDENT ESPINOZA rules the item out of order H. Action Item: Approval of a $5,000 co-sponsorship with SIA for Homecoming and the Rebel Variety Show to be held on October 29 - November 5, 2005. Costs to be encumbered from the CSUN 2702 FY06 Campus Events budget. As submitted by Vice President Lagomarsino. SENATOR DONNELLY moves to approve SENATOR DEARMAS seconds SENATE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE MULLINAX moves to amend the item Striking 5000 and inserting 4500 and inserting $500 from SENATE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE MULLINAX senate discretionary account SENATOR DONNELLY seconds SENATOR JOHNS SENATOR MOSES,SENATOR FLORES SENATOR NOVOTNY abstains 1 8 - 2 - 2 Amendment passes 6 SENATOR JOHNS, SENATOR MOSES oppose SENATOR SENEVERATNE, SENATOR NOVOTNY abstain 1 8 - 2 - 2 Item passes I. Action Item: Approval of an amount not to exceed $1,000.00 for additional production services to be paid to Bogus productions for Rebel Ruckus. Costs to be encumbered from the CSUS 2702 FY 06 E&P budget. As submitted by the Executive Board on behalf of Director Holmquist. SENATOR FLORES moves to move out of the order of the day to action item O. SENATOR WASHINGTON seconds SENATOR DONNELLY opposes SENATOR HERTER SENATOR VAN HOUTEN SENATOR SENEVERATNE SENATOR LEWIS abstain 17-1-4 SENATOR VAN HOUTEN moves to approve SENATOR WASHINGTON seconds SENATOR MOSES opposes SENATOR JOHNS abstains 18-1-1 Item passes J. Action Item: Approval of an amount not to exceed $400.00 for Building a Better spaceship to perform at the noonscene on October 24t h, 2005. Costs to be encumbered from the CSUS 2702 FY 06 E&P budget. As submitted by the Executive Board on behalf of Director Holmquist. SENATE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE MULLINAX moves to approve, combine J, K and L and amend item L striking 6,900 and inserting 7,900. SENATOR COCHRAN seconds 7 SENATOR JIMENEZ SENATOR FLORES SENATOR JOHNS abstains 17-0-3 Items are combines approved and amended K. Action Item: Approval of a sponsorship contract with MTVu gamers ball for Rebel Ruckus. As submitted by the Executive Board on behalf of Director Holmquist. L. Action Item: Approval of a sponsorship contract for $6,900.00 with the On the Go Marketing for the Wrigley Gum Tour for our coffee house series on November 29t h , 2005. As submitted by the Executive Board on behalf of Director Holmquist. M. Action Item: Discussion/Approval: for an amount not to exceed $20,000.00 for the co-sponsorship of a lecture series with Women's Research Institute of Nevada (WRIN). Costs to be encumbered from the CSUN NSA Budget, CSUN 2702 FY 06 Senate Discretionary budget (Senators' Individual Budgets), and CSUN 2250-237-2713 Interest Bearing account. As submitted by Senator Evelyn Flores. SENATOR SENEVERATNE motions to move out of the order of the day to Action P SENATOR LACARRA seconds SENATOR DONNELLY SENATOR FLORES abstains 18-0-2 SENATOR FLORES moves to approve SENATOR VILLA seconds SENATOR FLORES moves to amend the item striking 20,000 and inserting 2,600. Also inserting 1,200, 250 SENATOR DEARMAS, 650 SENATOR FLORES, SENATOR JIMENEZ 400, SENATOR VILLA 100 after NSA budget SENATOR DONNELLY seconds SENATE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE MULLINAX opposes SENATOR SENEVERATNE abstained 16-1-1 8 SENATOR NOVOTNY SENATOR DONNELLY SENATOR VAN HOUTEN SENATE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE MULLINAX SENATOR LEWIS SENATOR COCHRAN SENATOR SENEVERATNE opposes SENATOR ALLER and SENATOR MCINTOSH abstained 9-7-2 Item fails N. Action Item: Discussion/Approval: for an amount not to exceed $5,000.00 for the co-sponsorship of guest speaker Lech Walesa with UNLV's Foreign Language department. Costs to be encumbered from the CSUN NSA Budget, CSUN 2702 FY 06 Senate Discretionary budget (Senators' Individual Budgets), and CSUN 2250-237-2713 Interest Bearing account. As submitted by Senator Flores. SENATE PRESIDENT ESPINOZA rules the item out of order O. Action Item: Discussion/Approval: for an amount not to exceed $500.00 for UNLV students to attend the National Collegiate Global Women's and Human Rights Conference on November 11 &12, 2005. Costs to be encumbered from the CSUN 2702 FY06 Senate Discretionary budget. As submitted by Senator Flores. SENATE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE MULLINAX moves to approve SENATOR COCHRAN seconds SENATE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE MULLINAX moves to amend the item inserting $150 from SENATOR DEARMAS, $50 SENATOR FARKAS, $200 SENATOR FLORES, $100 SENATOR JIMENEZ, SENATOR LEWIS $100, SENATE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE MULLINAX $287, $50 SENATOR VILLA and $50 SENATOR WASHINGTON and striking $500 and inserting $987 SENATOR DONNELLY seconds SENATOR NOVOTNY opposes SENATOR SENEVERATNE SENATOR VAN HOUTEN SENATOR HERTER abstain 17-1-3 Amendment passes 9 SENATOR VAN HOUTEN SENATOR HERTER SENATOR SENEVERATNE oppose SENATOR NOVOTNY abstain 17-3-1 Item passes P. Action Item: Approval of an amount not to exceed $1,800 to be paid to the National Marrow Donor Program for the 2005 Bone Marrow Donation Drive. Cost to be encumbered from the CSUN 2702 FY06 Senate Discretionary budget. As submitted by Senator Seneviratne. SENATE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE MULLINAX moves to move back to the order of the day SENATOR DONNELLY seconds SENATOR LACARRA SENATOR SENEVERATNE, oppose SENATOR FARKAS SENATOR FLORES SENATOR JIMENEZ abstain 16-2-3 SENATOR LACARRA moves to approve and amend the item inserting $450 SENATOR HERTER $350 SENATOR LACARRA $200 SENATOR NOVOTNY $800 SENATOR SENEVERATNE SENATOR COCHRAN seconds SENATOR JIMENEZ abstains 19-0-1 Item passes Q. Action Item: Approval of Issuance of the directive for the CSUN Elections director to discontinue the use of online elections. Senator Johns, Senator Moses, Senator Jimenez SENATOR NOVOTNY moves to move back to the order of the day SENATOR DONNELLY seconds 10 SENATOR JOHNS, SENATOR GONZALEZ, SENATOR VILLA, SENATOR MOSES, SENATOR JIMENEZ oppose 13-5-0 SENATOR JOHNS moves to approve SENATOR WASHINGTON seconds SENATE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE MULLINAX, SENATOR WASHINGTON SENATOR LEWIS, SENATOR COCHRAN, SENATOR ALLER, SENATOR DEARMAS, SENATOR NOVOTNY, SENATOR WONG, SENATOR MCINTOSH, SENATOR VAN HOUTEN, SENATOR DONNELLY oppose SENATOR SENEVERATNE abstains 6 - 1 1 - 1 Item fails R. Action Item: Committing Bylaw 59 to the Bylaws Committee. As submitted by Senator Johns. See Attachment 35.31.01 S. Action Item: Committing Bylaw 33 to the Bylaws Committee as submitted by senator Johns. See attachment 35.31.02 T. Action Item: Committing to Constitutional Revisions Committee Article II of the CSUN Constitution as submitted by senator Johns. See attachment 35.31.03 IX. EXECUTIVE BOARD SUMMATIONS INFORMATION VICE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE FERREL: This was a circus VICE PRESIDENT LAGOMARSINO: I agree PRESIDENT GOATZ: Long session. I hope this was a good experience. I hope you take something away from this. SENATE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE MULLINAX: Think about why you are here. Adriel, you need to get control of these meetings. SENATE PRESIDENT ESPINOZA: I'm done X. GOOD OF THE SENATE INFORMATION 11 SENATOR VAN HOUTEN: I am glad this is over. Have fun to those who are coming back. SENATOR MCINTOSH: We were rolling up until the pledge of alliance. SENATOR NOVOTNY: I am disappointed at this meeting. SENATOR FLORES: Don't lose you passion. SENATOR MOSES: Thanlc everyone who showed up. SENATOR JIMENEZ: Honor to represent with the 35th session. SENATOR JOHNS: Thanks for the fifty different excuses. SENATOR GONZALEZ: good luck SENATOR COCHRAN: The dispute between the senate and the Executive Board needs to stop. Pleasure working with you guys. I will still be around. SENATOR WASHINGTON: I can't believe the year is over. XI. PUBLIC COMMENT INFORMATION Public comment will be taken during this agenda item. No action may be taken on a matter raised under this item until the matter is included on an agenda as an item on which action may be taken. The Chairman may place reasonable limitations as to the amount of time individuals may address the Senate. The Chairman may elect to alio public comment on a specific agenda item when that agenda item is being considered. XII. ADJOURNMENT ACTION Posted in accordance with Nevada Open Meeting Law (N.R.S. 241.000) at the following locations: Moyer Student Union, Frank & Estella Beam Hall, Flora Dugan Humanities, and the Classroom Building Complex. STUDENT SENATE PRESIDENT ADREIL ESPINOZA SENATE SECRETARY AARON SPENCER 12 CSUN SENATE MEETING 35-31 MONDAY, October 24t h , 2005 MSU 201,6:00PM I. CALL TO ORDER II. ROLL CALL III. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES ACTION The following minutes are submitted for approval: 35-30 V. REPORTS INFORMATION A. Senate Committee Reports B. Faculty Senate/University Committee Reports C. Business Manager Report D. Liaiis.o nS Rtuedpeonrtt sI nvolvement Activities ii. Residence Hall Association iii. Student Athletics iv. Student Health Advisory Committee v. ROTC vi. Leadership Advisory Board E. Rebel Yell Report VI. EXECUTIVE BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS INFORMATION VII. UNFINISHED BUSINESS ACTION A. Action Item: Approval of an additional $200.00 increase in stipend for the Vice President Pro Tempore effective 10/1/05. Costs to be encumbered from the CSUN 2702 FY06 Wages budget. As submitted by the Executive Board. i 2 \f\,Oi>C B. Action Item: Discussion/Approval of request for for testing and assessment of students with learning disabilities for the Disability Resource Center. The funds would be used to purchase testing equipment, and pay for assessments of students. Currently, students are required to pay for private evaluations which can run from $400 -$4000. Approval of this proposal would provide those services at no cost to the student. Cost to be encumbered; $500 from Senator Jimenez individual account and $9,500 CSUN 2250-237-2713 Interest Bearing account. As submitted b y - Ways and Means Chair, Senator Jimenez VIII. NEW BUSINESS ACTION A. Action Item: Approval of Senate Bill 35-06 which proposes changes to Bylaw 84 (Campus Life Bylaw), by changing Roman Numeral III, lowercase letter a, number iv, to withdraw the word "fallowing" and insert the word "following". As submitted by Senator Cochran. B. Action Item: Approval of Senate Bill 35-XX which proposes changes to Bylaw 27. As submitted by Senator Cochran C. Action Item: Approval of Senate Bill 35-XX which proposes rescinding Bylaw 68. As submitted by Senator Cochran D. Action Item: Approval of Senate Bill 35-XX which proposes changes to Bylaw 28. As submitted by Senator Cochran E. Action Item: Approval of Senate Bill 35-XX which proposes changes to Bylaw 72. As submitted by Senator Cochran F. Action Item: Approval of Senate Bill 35-XX which proposes a new Bylaw 85 AFROTC Liaison. As submitted by Senator Cochran G. Action Item: Approval of a $260 increase in the Vice-President's salary for the month of November. Costs to be encumbered from the CSUN 2702 FY06 Wages Budget. As submitted by the executive board H. Action Item: Approval of a $5,000 co-sponsorship with SIA for , Homecoming and the Rebel Variety Show to be held on October 29 - ( November 5, 2005. Costs to be encumbered from the CSUN 2702 FY06 Campus Events budget. As submitted by Vice President Lagomarsino. I. Action Item: Approval of an amount not to exceed $ 1,000.00 for / additional production services to be paid to Bogus productions for Rebel Ruckus. Costs to be encumbered from the CSUS 2702 FY 06 E&P budget. As submitted by the Executive Board on behalf of Director Holmquist. J. Action Item: Approval of an amount not to exceed $400.00 ftho r Building a Better spaceship to perform at the noonscene on October 24 ,2005. Costs to be encumbered from the CSUfl 2702 FY 06 E&P budget. As submitted by the Executive Board on behalf of Director Holmquist. , Action Item: Approval of a sponsorship contract with MTVu gamers ba for Rebel Ruckus. As submitted by the Executive Board on behalf of Director Holmquist. Action Item: Approval of a sponsorship contract for $6,'900r00 with the On the Go Marketing for the Wrigley Gum Tour for our coffee house series on November 29t h , 2005. As submitted by the Executive Board on behalf of Director Holmquist. . Action Item: Discussion/Approval: for an amount not to exceed ~$20;flOQtOft for the co-sponsorship of a lecture series with Women's Research Institute of Nevada (WRIN). Costs to be encumbered from the CSUN NSA Budget, CSUN 2702 FY 06 Senate Discretionary budget (Senators' Individual Budgets), and CSUN 2250-237-2713 Interest Bearing account. As submitted by Senator Evelyn Flores. N. Action Item: Discussion/Approval: for an amount not to exceed $5,000.00 for the co-sponsorship of guest speaker Lech Walesa with & UNLV's Foreign Language department. Costs to be encumbered from the CSUN NSA Budget, CSUN 2702 FY 06 Senate Discretionary budget (Senators' Individual Budgets), and CSUN 2250-237-2713 Interest Bearing account As submitted hv Senfltnr Flores. O. Action Item: uiscussion/Approval: ror an amount not to exceed -j.-4500.00 tbr l JNLV students to attend the National Collegiate Glob Women's and Human Rights Conference on November 11 &12,2C Costs to be encumbered from the CSUN 2702 FY06 Senate Discre budget. As submitted by Senator Flores. \ Action Item: Approval of an amount not to exceed $1,800 to be p the National Marrow Donor Program for the 2005 Bone Marrow D Drive. Cost to be encumbered from the CSUN 2702 FY06 Senate Discretionary budget. As submitted by Senator Seneviratne. J. Action Item: Approval of Issuance of the directive for the CSUN Elections director to discontinue the use of online elections. Senator Johns, Senator Moses, Senator Jimenez L Action Item: Committing Bylaw 59 to the Bylaws Committee. As submitted by Senator Johns. See Attachment 35.31.01 S. Action Item: Committing Bylaw 33 to the Bylaws Committee as submitted by senator Johns. See attachment 35.31.02 T. Action Item: Committing to Constitutional Revisions Committee Article II of the CSUN Constitution as submitted by senator Johns. See attachment 35.31.03 IX. EXECUTIVE BOARD SUMMATIONS INFORMATION X. GOOD OF THE SENATE INFORMATION XL PUBLIC COMMENT INFORMATION Public comment will be taken during this agenda item. No action may be taken on a matter raised under this item until the matter is included on an agenda as an item on which action may be taken. The Chairman may place reasonable limitations as to the amount of time individuals may address the Senate. The Chairman may elect to allow public comment on a specific agenda item when that agenda item is being considered. XII. ADJOURNMENT ACTION Posted in accordance with Nevada Open Meeting Law (N.R.S. 241.000) at the following locations: Mover Student Union, Frank & Estella Beam Hall, Flora Dugan Humanities, and the Classroom Building Complex. STUDENT SENATE PRESIDENT SENATE SECRETARY ADREIL ESPINOZA AARON SPENCER 4