Meeting minutes for Consolidated Student Senate, University of Nevada, Las Vegas, March 08, 2004

Office of the Senate President University of Nevada, Las Vegas Student Government MINUTES CSUN SENATE MEETING 34-12 MONDAY, MARCH 8, 2004 / w g ® £ # * C S U N SENATE PRESIDENT AMES QUIT A called the meeting to order at 6:01pm in the Moyer Student Union room 201. SENATE SECRETARY GOATZ called the roll. The following Senators were present: SENATOR CIANCI, SENATOR FLINNER, SENATOR CORPUZ (left early at 7:14pm), SENATOR SOLDANO, SENATOR MULLINAX, SENATOR THOMPSON, SENATOR HEEG, SENATOR CRAWFORD, SENATOR CAZARES, SENATOR DONNELLY, SENATOR MAYER, SENATOR SUMNER, SENATOR FRIEDLIEB, SENATOR MACDONALD (left early at 7:32pm), SENATOR CONWAY (arrived late at 6:08pm and left early at 7:19pm), SENATOR JIMENEZ, SENATOR HOLMQUIST, SENATOR ESPINOZA, SENATOR LEE, and SENATOR ZANDER (arrived late at 6:04pm). The following Senator(s) were excused: SENATOR SANTIAGO, and SENATOR AUSTIN. The following Senator(s) were unexcused: SENATOR DANESHFOROOZ. Quorum was met with 20 Senators present. SENATE SECRETARY GOATZ was present. PLEDGE OF ALLIGANCE APPROVAL OF MINUTES I SENATOR MULLINAX moved to approve minutes from Senate meeting 34-10 as published. SENATOR CIANCI seconded the motion. Minutes PASS 16-0-2. SENATOR MACDONALD and SENATOR FLINNER abstained. Minutes from Senate meeting from 34-11 were not published due to technical difficulty. EXECUTIVE BOARD ANNOUNCMENTS VICE PRESIDENT CHRISTIANSEN: What I handed out to you guys was the director reports because a few of the directors had a philanthropy event. If you have any questions see them during their office hours. SENATOR ZANDER enters at 6:04pm. PRESIDENT MORADKHAN: The Board of Regents is next week at Desert Research Institute on the 18th and 19th. The Nevada Student Alliance agenda is not out yet. I'll send the agenda to SENATE PRESIDENT AMES QUIT A when I get it. Mac Hayes gave me an up date on the CDC and the facilities update. I was in a preliminary meeting with the architectures. It will be up to the next CSUN President to continue them. If I missed anything please let me know. I suggested that we have a copy room, a pro tempore joint CONSOLIDATED STUDENTS1 * UNIVERSITY OF NEVADA 4505 MARYLAND PARKWAY • LAS VEGAS, NEVADA 89154-2009 • (702) 895-3645 • FAX (702) 895-4606 room, and two conference rooms. One room that is 18-20 person and one that is 10-12. The CSUN Senate Chambers with their own work stations up to 25. The next one is a CSUN Work Room, Director Room that houses all directors, and a sound studio for Rebel Radio. All with closet space, and 24-hour access to our location. SENATOR CAZARES: Would we have access to the Senate room 24 hours? PRESIDENT MORADKHAN: It's yours. We're meeting for four hours to finish this packet. SENATOR CONWAY enters late at 6:08pm. SENATOR MAYER: How are negotiations going for the Rebel Yell space? Are you helping with that? PRESIDENT MORADKHAN: I support that the Rebel Editor needed to put more emphasis on the space needed. If you think of anything email me by tomorrow. The 5%, I asked in January for Senators to be on the research committee and since no one approached me it will be made up by executive board. We will be meeting on March 22 at 9:30am. I asked directors if they had a higher budget what would they be able to do with the funds? Every college should submit the same if they had more money and I'd need it by next Monday. SENATE PRESIDENT AMES QUIT A: SENATE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE CIANCI is under the weather. He had surgery. Give him some leeway with that. Please come next Monday with actual data. If we have this Monday, how can we prove that we're going to do something with it? Criticize in private applaud in public. The election worker said that Laurie and her crew were the most efficiant since they've been here at UNLV. It's seen in the fruits of the labor that 2,097 people voted. REPORTS Senate Committee Reports SENATOR MULLINAX, RULES AND ETHICS CHAIRMAN: I just like to say I look forward to a short discussion on item C. No one came up to me during the week and said they had a problem. VICE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE BROWDER, SCHOLARSHIP COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN: If everyone on the scholarship committee could stay after. SENATOR CORPUZ, WAYS AND MEANS CHAIRMAN: I have to meet with CSUN SERVICES DIRECTOR IZZOLO so we can find out when we have our next meeting. Faculty Senate/University Committee Reports 2 SENATOR MAYER: Today I went to the Public Safety Advisory Board meeting with SENATOR FLINNER. It was the first meeting in a year. There was nothing of substance. Just some lighting and safety issues. It was an okay meeting. SENATOR FLINNER: There was talks about installing cameras in the parking garage and the parking lots. They figure this is a good way to answer these problems. SENATOR MAYER: The architects came back from the student rec. project and they had four conceptulized drawings. They have four floor plans. I'm still waiting for my wave pool and beach. SENATOR FRIEDLIEB: Could you tell us about what type of facilities they did have for the rec. center? SENATOR MAYER: They all contain the same stuff. Multi purpose courts, running track, out/indoor pools. 20,000 square foot fitness center. In one model they had some that are three or four stories with different pool conditions. Some of the pools are on the third story and one was on the first floor. Business Manager Report BUSINESS MANAGER HILL read the expenditures as follows: BUDGET PAYEE AMOUNT COMMENTS ELECTIONS Metro Pizza $366.95 Hosting for "Pizza, Pop, & Politics" on March 1 and 2 ELECTIONS Metro Pizza $106.50 Food for post-elections meeting ELECTIONS Parking Services $100.00 50 parking passes ELECTIONS Target $37.34 Supplies NSA Metro Pizza $366.95 Hosting for "Pizza, Pop, & Politics" on March 1 and 2 OFFICE Reprographics $20.55 241X77260 - Stock forms OFFICE Telecommunications ($7.33) January reimbursement SERVICES Reprographics $17.45 241X77260 - Business cards for CSUN Student Organizations SERVICES Reprographics $22.73 241X77260 - Flyers for organization meeting TOTAL $1,031.24 Director's Reports PUBLICATIONS DIRECTOR GEORGE: Deadline is Friday at midnight. Talk to all your classes please. Tell them to e-mail vagusnerveunlv@yahoo.com for information. We may push deadline back a week, but still tell people deadline is this Friday. Banner is up, but website is not. I printed 120 submission packets and put them in the newsstands. Almost all are gone. My board and I have discussed getting ten more newsstands to fill 3 in the blank spots on campus. Newsstands have proved very successful. Reminder, all Senators are encouraged to submit. ( CSUN SERVICES DIRECTOR IZZOLO: A lot of recognition packets were turned in by the deadline that just passed on March 4. Organizations that turned in their packets, attended the mandatory meeting and go for approval by the CSUN Services Board will be eligible for the $500.00 funding this spring. All funding requests for the spring semester are due by Monday, March 15 time stamped before 5:00pm. The second opportunity for a mandatory meeting wit the organizations was very successful and a lot of useful information was passed along. Big thanks to Jen Peck-Hladun, Ea Madrigal, Rocco Gonzalez, and Chris Ho for being there and inputting very pertinent information to make our organizations that much better. Our CSUN Services board also had a meeting for recognizing those organizations that were on top of things and got their packet in early. 15 organizations were recognized and our next meeting is scheduled for Friday, March 19 at 3:30pm in the Director's chambers. I also included in everyone's mailboxes the Student Code of Conduct, Judicial Affairs officer, Phil Burns, gave an excellent speech at our organization meeting regarding the Code and with all the extras he said it would be ok to distribute those to the members of CSUN. Sol encourage all to keep a copy of the Code in the CSUN binders or workrooms. NEVADA STUDENT AFFAIRS DIRECTOR TEGANO: Last Monday's Lecture was a huge success. "Reel Bad Arabs: How Hollywood Vilifies a People" Dr. Jack Shaheen, Professor Emeritus Mass Communications at Southern Illinois University left standing room only. We need to continue to collaborate with other departments to get high ( turnout. We contributed just under $500.00 to help the history department bring Dr. William Cronon to campus last Thursday at 7:30pm in the Marjorie Barrick Museum. He is a leading environmental historian in the country, and those who attended felt it was an excellent opportunity to hear him on our campus. New lecture is Thursday, March 11, 2004 at 7:00pm in FDH 109. " Natural-Unnatural History: Struggles in the U.S. Mexican Borderlands" Dr. Frederick Gehlbach, Professor Emeritus, Department of Biology and Department of Environmental Science, Baylor University. The Programming Budget is accommodating a co-sponsorship of Dr. Jose Gutierrez, leader of Chicano political movement, on campus with the Honors College. He will be speaking Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 3:00pm in MSU 202. A special thanks to SENATOR CAZARES for bringing the potential of our collaboration with the Honors College to the table. Sherrelle is working on the survey issue. We are glad the Senate chose to support the Student Involvement Impact Assessment Survey since they are further along in development than we are. We would like to include some questions on their survey, and we will therefore modify the kinds of questions we ask in ours to be different from those being addressed in the Student Involvement survey. We will not duplicate efforts, and we will therefore modify the kinds of questions we ask in ours to be different from those being addressed in the Student Involvement survey. We will not duplicate efforts, and because of the high cost and lack of approval that we still have at this point to spend in upwards of $9,000.00 on our survey, go ahead with what is in the works because we would indeed benefit from any and all knowledge we can find. Pizza, Pop, and Politics was a great success and a wonderful opportunity for students to talk and consider issues that CSUN addresses. t 4 Elections and NSA forged an effective collaboration and we look forward to working together with the Rebel Yell to hose a debate/forum for the General Election in April. ELECTIONS DIRECTOR EVANS: Elections went really well. We had 2,097 voters. Results are unofficial. Official results will be posted after the Elections Board meeting on Thursday. The meeting will be held in MSU 202 at 7:00pm. Voting on all complaint forms will take place at the meeting. We only had eight complaints forms filed. Thank you to all of my board members. They did an amazing Job. Special thanks to SENATOR DONNELLY for the time and effort she put forth. She was by far the biggest help to me during elections. Thank you to the Senators who helped me set up Pizza, Pop, & Politics. I.E. SENATOR HEEG. 22 pizzas were given out each day (Monday and Tuesday) to students. I will have results from each polling location by the next meeting. ENTERTAINMENT AND PROGRAMMING DIRECTOR LONG: The Sigma Gamma Rho Sorority thanked us in a letter for putting on two movie nights for them. I believe that in the future we should establish relationships like this one because it helps students and organizations recognize what CSUN can do for them. Attached (Minutes attachment 34.12.01) is information for you to give students about Rebelpalooza. Tickets went on sale this weekend through UNLVtickets.com as we have reestablished our relationship with the Thomas and Mack people. One of our bands, Alkaline Trio, had to drop out of the show so we are working to get a new one this week to take their place. Tomorrow at the UA showcase mall is the advanced screening of "The Prince and Me". The show starts at 7:00pm and we gave away 250 pairs of tickets. ( REBEL RADIO DIRECTOR GREENROCK: Getting quotes for custom mouse pads. Amphitheatre is reserved for April 26 for event. Street team will hype the event. Schedule is up and running (Minutes attachment 34.12.02). I would like all Senators to visit the website and sign the guestbook. One love. OFFICE OF STUDENT INFORMATION DIRECTOR GUIDENG: Working on establishing goals. Anyone interested in goal setting, please contact Eric Guideng at (702) 768-5336. Working on establishing standard operating procedures. Anyone interested in goal setting, please contact Eric Guideng at (702) 768-5336. Working on standardizing on logo, colors, look of OSI. Senator input appreciated. Start working on bios/profiles for the website. Liaison Reports Greek Advisory SENATE PRESIDENT AMESQUITA: We had Greek Leadership Day yesterday and I got to facilitate the CSUN breakout session. Some of the concerns were that they wanted us to work together more with non-bias. Election violations make Greeks look bad and UNLV look bad. Petty violations. On Saturday's game, Dr. Harter got booed. Then they said that's not how Rebels do it and they booed louder. What can we do to tell her UNLV basketball politics, or because she's not approachable and not scene. They would 5 like to see her office to be there and have an appearance at Greek events. Maybe having her do the closing ceremonies at Greek Week. SENATOR MAYER: I can tell you why she was booed. I am a subscriber to rebelnet.com. They are upset with the way the basketball coach search has been progressing. They don't have to pick anyone. It's toward the perceived handling. Basketball fans don't care about academics. It was once mighty and powerful, and now it's pretty mediocre. Multicultural Student Affairs NONE Residence Hall Association NONE Student Athletics NONE Student Body President's Advisory Council JESSICA ADLER: I don't have much to say today. The hotline is up and running and good. If any of you want to submit something to put on it, I have some old submission forms and email it to me and not Christine. When you guys talk to your classes, bring a handful of pens, and they're in the Director's Chambers closet. As far as UNLVoice, I haven't recreated the template. Hopefully we can have two more before the end of the semester. Next meeting is going to be in three weeks on Thursday at 6pm. Student Health Advisory Committee NONE ROTC CADET CORDER: We volunteered our services at the NASCAR event. It's our only fundraiser. It is used for the military ball and the junior class is preparing for camp. SENATE PRESIDENT AMES QUIT A: How much did you raise? CADET CORDER: $8,000.00. SENATE PRESIDENT AMES QUIT A: What did you do? CADET CORDER: Put up tents, hospitality services, and such. Leadership Advisory Board 6 SENATE PRESIDENT AMES QUIT A: That will be postponed today so John Dugan can be here to speak on it. Rebel Yell Report - Advertising Assistant Chelsey Ankenbauer NONE PUBLIC COMMENT ANISAIZZOLO: I'm an advisor in the SDC, I advise people with 30 credits and under. They are coming up with a new general education core. Advisors didn't have a lot of say, but they are doing a student survey. If you can fill out the opinion survey and turn it into the Director's Chambers or in the box or to Mike or Nick and they'll give it to me. UNFINSHED BUSINESS SENATOR CIANCI moved to combine and postpone unfinished business action items A and B until Senate meeting 34-13. SENATOR DONNELLY seconded the motion. a. Action item: Election of two (2) students to serve on the Judicial Council for a term ending March 8, 2006. As submitted by Senator Sumner on behalf of the Executive Board. a. Action item: Approval of the Rebel Yell's Articles of Incorporation. As submitted by Senate President Pro-Tempore Cianci. (See attachment 34.11.03). Motion PASSES UNANIMOUSLY 20-0-0. SENATOR CAZARES moved to approve unfinished action item C. SENATOR CRAWFORD seconded the motion. b. Action Item: Approval of Senate Bill 34-07, which proposes changing the CSUN Constitution Article VI. As submitted by Senators Cazares and Cianci. (See attachment 34.12.01). SENATOR CAZARES: On this discussion I asked for you to talk to people. I emailed the Senate Faculty President, Dr. Mills, and last years. Two of the three said it was okay to take out the dean. According to Dr. Mills, she's against taking it out and also changed the thing to degree granting academic unit. It still has to go through the Board of Regents. That's pretty much where I stand on number one. The amendment we came up with was to take out A and C to read as one continuous sentence. And part three, we choose the Tuesday following Labor Day because under article IV, D, 2, and the date and Senate Bylaw 33 section C 6, the Board shall determine apportionment, meaning that the Tuesday is the earliest yet the latest day to get the numbers and that's why we choose the date. 7 VICE PRESIDENT CHRISTIANSEN: I wanted to address the dates for when school starts. When we start, we start the 30 and Labor Day is after September 7. If we get it within a week, and it can be on the 20th agenda which would be after, and beyond that the 27th falls on a Monday and start the following week. There's no way to get the numbers before the candidates meeting. If you do it the Monday after the 3r d session will always give you two weeks, which would be August 16, and it can be on the 30 agenda and approved by the Senate two days before filling starts. We would still have the numbers approved so that when we walk into the meeting the numbers would be approved. If there is only two seats, we might have to save some funds to run a campaign. I think this would be most beneficial to have a number by the meeting. The whole reason it was pushed back was because of me. I wouldn't want to deal with it. The current way is an entire year before it needs to be done by the middle of August always. If you would like the number breakdown again I can. SENATOR CAZARES: There is nowhere where it says that it has to be decided by filing. The most amount of dates they won't know will be three days hypothetically. I even discussed it with ELECTIONS DIRECTOR EVANS. SENATOR MAYER: This past year we started August 25. It looks like we start 23. VICE PRESIDENT CHRISTIANSEN: You always have third session and then two weeks before it starts. PRESIDENT MORADKHAN: Per Senate Bylaw 33 number 6 C, the board shall determine. That would mean before September 1. SENATOR FLINNER: If we wait 'till after filling what happens if only one person runs for two seats. Not many students will know to take the opportunity. SENATOR MULLINAX: You're talking about three days after the date to pick up and you guys are talking about the filing date. Well I disagree. If you pick up a packet and then waited for a few weeks to file, is there a different between picking up and actually filling. SENATOR CRAWFORD: For one thing she read the Bylaw that you read, the fact is if we apply the amendment to the constitution that is not really important, the only important thing is setting a date that most adequately represents our students. I think all this talk about whether they will run, how many seats, we will be able to give them a decent number by the time it starts. The only important thing is whether we have enough time to get those numbers. It's a balancing act between that and representation. SENATOR CIANCI: If this was to be passed with the current day for Labor Day, number six in 33 would be void. There's no place that says that the numbers have to be in the packet, and it just has to be passed through Senate. The Election Director, which is their job for the summer. The most days you lose is four. It won't matter, they'll run 8 regardless. If someone they don't decided to run. Most people wait to the last minute to file anyway. They can turn it in and withdraw their name. This is the last day to add classes. It's the last day to get the most accurate numbers and apportionment. It's best to probably go with a previous year than to change it. Like a census. SENATOR FRIEDLIEB: First, in response to guessing the numbers before finalizing them. VICE PRESIDENT CHRISTIANSEN said yes that would be stretching the finalizing dates. Case in point look at the books for Senate elections. That will be creating more work and yes they look to see the numbers before then. It would create more havoc. SENATOR MAYER: How about the only compromise I see, because we don't want to go to the 15 or to after Labor Day, how about the Thursday before the first week of school and then they'll have the whole weekend to work on them. SENATOR MULLINAX: I think we need to decided whether what we want is most convenient or what best represents our students. One argument is the most accurate numbers and the right amount of seats. Convenience, so that I know about when to turn or when I see it's easy. Right now we're going around in circles. SENATOR MACDONALD: When they decide your reapportionment or is it declared in the college so that any person can go and change there number so whether we break it down to the last day of school. We're not talking about with drawing from a major by picking the first Monday of school because you can change your major at any time, and doesn't effect if your enrolled in classes or drop. VICE PRESIDENT CHRISTIANSEN: I'm not a big advocate about that people would or wouldn't run about the numbers, but the earlier we get the numbers the better. It may not say that it should be in the packet and if it did say it had to be in here we wouldn't have this conversation. That being said, we need to give them two to three weeks after school to give us numbers. The earlier we do it is better. SENATOR ESPINOZA: In my opinion we should have the most accurate number for Senate seats. For those wanting to know how many seats. The thing we need to concentrate on is the most accurate numbers. SENATOR SUMNER: We need a solution. Why can't we do it the first day of school whether people get it? We need to reach a compromise on this. SENATOR FRIEDLIEB: When people talk about their majors and change their major that's done when you apply for school and you normally apply in the spring semester, and change it in the spring or summer. SENATOR CAZARES move to amend 3 to read, "Enrollment totals shall be obtained from the first day of instruction of the current fall semester". SENATOR SUMNER seconded the amendment. 9 Amendment PASSES 18-2-0. SENATOR FRIEDLIEB and SENATOR FLINNER oppose. SENATOR CIANCI moved to amend the item by keeping the dean. SENATOR FLINNER seconded the amendment. SENATOR CAZARES: Just to reiterate two of the three people said that we should amend it to have it a degree granting academic unit. Dr. Mills said to keep A and B to keep the integrity of the section. The Board of Regents still has to approve what is an academic unit is. SENATOR HOLMQUIST leaves at 7:05pm. SENATOR SOLDANO: I agree with SENATOR CAZARES to change it because if Dr. Mills is proposing to keep the intent, but she doesn't know what the intent is either. I'm in favor of taking part A out. SENATOR MULLINAX: We should represent everyone we can and if it says dean we can't. SENATOR ESPINOZA: We're here to represent the students and if the college decides to run it differently there's not much we can do about it. SENATOR CAZARES: By having academic unit, in the Board of Regents handbook in title five it says what everything is in an academic unit. SENATOR CRAWFORD: Did anyone come up with a reason to keep other than the strong feelings? Amendment FAILED 2-16-2 SENATOR FLINNER and SENATOR CIANCI were in favor and SENATOR LEE and SENATOR CAZARES abstained. SENATOR CAZARES moved to amend the item by striking all of line "1" and inserting, "For representation purposes a college must be a degree granting academic unit." SENATOR SOLDANO seconded the amendment. Amendment PASSES 16-0-4. SENATOR LEE, SENATOR FRIEDLIEB, SENATOR CAZARES, and SENATOR FLINNER abstained. Unfinished action item C, as amended, PASSES 16-0-3. SENATOR MACDONALD, SENATOR FRIEDLIEB, and SENATOR FLINNER abstained. NEW BUSINESS SENATOR CIANCI moved to combine and postpone new business action items A and B until Senate meeting 34-13. 10 SENATOR CONWAY seconded the motion. a. Action item: Approval of an amount not to exceed $1,600.00 to be paid to UNLV's Leadership Advisory Board for the attendance of Leadershape by the CSUN representative. Costs to be encumbered from the CSUN 2702 FY 04 Senate Discretionary account. As submitted by Senator Cianci for and on behalf of Senate President Amesquita. (See attachment 34.12.02). b. Action item: Approval of an amount not to exceed $1,500.00 to be paid to SIA for the co-sponsorship of UNLV's Greek Week 2004 to be held April 19 - April 25. Costs to be encumbered from the CSUN 2702 FY 04 Senate Discretionary account. As submitted by Senator Cianci for and on behalf of Senate President Amesquita. Motion PASSES UNANIMOUSLY 20-0-0. SENATOR MULLINAX moved to approve new business action item C. SENATOR DONNELLY seconded the motion. c. Action item: Approval of allowing the Rules and Ethics Committee to forward an official complaint of Senator Cianci's alleged violation of the UNLV Student Conduct Code to the Vice President of Student Life and to publicly apologize during Public Comment of a Senate meeting (meeting to be decided). As submitted by Senator Mullinax on behalf of the Rules and Ethics committee. SENATOR MAYER moved to amend the item by striking, "the Rules and Ethics Committee to forward an official complaint of Senator Cianci's alleged violation of the UNLV Student Conduct Code to the Vice President of Student Life and" and inserting, "Senator Cianci to". SENATOR DONNELLY seconded the amendment. c. Action item: Approval of allowing Senator Cianci to publicly apologize during Public Comment of a Senate meeting (meeting to be decided). As submitted by Senator Mullinax on behalf of the Rules and Ethics committee. SENATOR MULLINAX: I disagree. SENATOR MAYER: I've already approached a few Senators about this. The reason we need to do this, we didn't find that he did do anything wrong. We're not going to give ourselves a black eye for something as petty and stupid. SENATOR CAZARES: It says that it's an alleged violation. So it's not really anything. Did you come to something conclusive? 11 SENATOR MULLINAX: It was our finding that it wasn't our place to interpret the Code of Conduct. It is my personal opinion that we send this to the authority on the Code of Conduct using what we found to see if it was broken. SENATOR CAZARES: The files that were locked. I didn't know they were confidential, not that I want to say it's an innocent mistake. I didn't see the malicious intent that was about. SENATOR CRAWFORD: Could you tell me that since it's an alleged violation could you find something that it would be close that this was near? SENATOR CORPUZ leaves at 7:14pm. SENATOR MULLINAX: We believed it is controlled data. Because there is a lock but there isn't a lock on it. That is someone's stuff. If it was officially trespassing or not. Which is why we choose to send it to someone to tell us and if he didn't. It wasn't to say if yes he did or not. It says we're not in our jurisdiction. Whether it wasn't unethical it had to be based purely on facts. SENATOR CRAWFORD: There is room for mistakes to be made between innocent intent and malicious intent. I think that it is our place to make those distinctions even if we are forwarding to another body. SENATOR MULLINAX: He intended to go into those files. Whether he did or did not know it was wrong. We decided that it wasn't our place to say what the Student Code of Conduct. SENATOR ZANDER: I'm not on the Rules and Ethics committee, but it seems like it's there job to deal with those position. I'm not saying it's right or wrong but you should know what you should not be doing. If it's not locked, but it's closed. SENATOR JIMENEZ: Case it does pass I think it's kind of... Why don't you bring in MECHA for him to apologize to them? SENATOR MULLINAX: Point of Information, he is not apologizing for going into files or for that organization. SENATOR CONWAY: It's just getting to sound like a three hour meeting again. I'm about to shake. I got to go. SENATOR CONWAY leaves at 7:19pm. SENATOR MACDONALD: I don't think any of us we're an authority. We are not authorities on it, but we're going to say whether it is wrong or not wrong. No one is in charge of the Code of Conduct when we are not in charge of it. We ruled on his ethics that he needs to apologize. So if a regular student broke the Code of Conduct we have nothing to do with it. The only person that can is the department that handles the Code of 12 Conduct. If any of you have any better ideas tell me about them besides them apologizing. SENATOR CAZARES: I just wanted to ask you, SENATOR MULLINAX, was the file labeled confidential? SENATOR MULLINAX: There was a question about if it was labeled. It's public record but it did not say confidential on it. SENATOR MAYER: We didn't have legal counsel present to forward that. SENATOR CIANCI made a mistake, there shouldn't even have been a complaint filed. They could've said that. He opened a drawer. SENATOR DONNELLY moved to call the question. SENATOR FRIEDLIEB seconded the motion. Motion FAILS 10-5-1. SENATOR DONNELLY, SENATOR MAYER, SENATOR CAZARES, SENATOR THOMPSON, SENATOR FRIEDLIEB, SENATOR ESPINOZA, SENATOR SOLDANO, SENATOR HOLMQUIST, SENATOR HEEG are in favor. SENATOR SUMNER, SENATOR CRAWFORD, SENATOR FLINNER, SENATOR MULLINAX, SENATOR ZANDER and SENATOR MACDONALD oppose. SENATOR CIANCI abstained. SENATOR CRAWFORD: What I should say is that I appreciate that you and your committee meeting for very long meetings. It's lame when everyone in Senate is against what you came up with. I respect it and I appreciate that you met for a long time. Deciding by forwarding this, we are deciding that based on the evidence we thought in this case we have something that is clear cut for us to send it for our.. .in this thing it has the procedure for filing for a complaint, if this was a normal student it wouldn't have come to the committee, because Anisa who wrote the complaint and have it not be part of CSUN what-so-ever. What we're here to determine if we as a Senate found enough evidence to send it to him. I don't know anything about it besides hearsay. The people that are responsible are Anisa and the people involved in the infraction in terms of sending it to that body, I don't think it's in our jurisdiction to send it or not. VICE PRESIDENT CHRISTIANSEN: I wasn't there for the meeting because I knew it was going to be long. Everyone that is in that organization would be shocked to know what he was doing. He was going through the files. If you guys don't want to that the gal that filed this one will file right there. Don't give ourselves a black eye if we do not turn ourselves in for breaking the law. This is why it has to go through these channels. He's an e-board member that broke the rules. We are not the people that bring down the fine. Any student can file that's in an organization. SENATE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE CIANCI has been here for two years and he should, or doesn't know the rules. I sat there and watch it happened. I do know that it is my job as vice president to send it over there. To give ourselves a black eye. We need to make it public that something is going wrong. I will be the first person to stand up and talk to the Rebel Yell 13 and say we did something wrong. I'm just saying for our best interest that when it gets there and they do here. They will ask us they say we. I will go out and say what we did tonight. Do I think it's a big enough deal? I want everything. I pray to god your doing your job right now. Not just pushing it aside. SENATOR CIANCI: I would like to know what rule I broke? VICE PRESIDENT CHRISTIANSEN: It is my job not to interpret the rules. SENATOR MACDONALD and SENATOR SUMNER leave at 7:32pm. SENATOR SUMNER enters at 7:33pm. SENATOR SUMNER leaves at 7:33pm. SENATOR HOLMQUIST leaves at 7:33pm. ****QUORUM LOST**** SENATOR HOLMQUIST enters 7:36pm. SENATOR FRIEDLIEB: Right now were not going to change anyone's opinion. We are by calling the question we are just deciding to vote. Lets vote on whether or not to pass t