Al Lermusioux interview, March 9, 1978: transcript

UNLV University Libraries Al Lermusiaux 1 An Interview with Al Lermusiaux An Oral History Conducted by Shirley Dianne Long Ralph Roske Oral History Project on Early Las Vegas Special Collections and Archives Oral History Research Center University Libraries University of Nevada, Las Vegas UNLV University Libraries Al Lermusiaux 2 © Ralph Roske Oral History Project on Early Las Vegas University of Nevada, Las Vegas, 2020 UNLV University Libraries Al Lermusiaux 3 The Oral History Research Center (OHRC) was formally established by the Board of Regents of the University of Nevada System in September 2003 as an entity of the UNLV University Libraries’ Special Collections Division. The OHRC conducts oral interviews with individuals who are selected for their ability to provide first-hand observations on a variety of historical topics in Las Vegas and Southern Nevada. The OHRC is also home to legacy oral history interviews conducted prior to its establishment including many conducted by UNLV History Professor Ralph Roske and his students. This legacy interview transcript received minimal editing, such as the elimination of fragments, false starts, and repetitions in order to enhance the reader's understanding of the material. All measures have been taken to preserve the style and language of the narrator. The interviewee/narrator was not involved in the editing process. UNLV University Libraries Al Lermusiaux 4 Abstract On March 9, 1978, Shirley Dianne Long interviewed Al Lermusiaux (b. 1926 in Corrales, New Mexico) about his work in construction in the Las Vegas Valley. Lermusiaux begins by talking about his move to Las Vegas, his family and what brought him to the city. He shares many anecdotes about the construction of different iconic buildings in Las Vegas, the inner workings of the business, payments to employees and the changes in technology. Lermusiaux, in particular, talks of the telephone system in the fifties and the changes in structures and their regulations. During his interview, Lermusiaux lays out an image of old Las Vegas and Henderson, giving detailed descriptions of the layout of the city, the projects he worked on and the effects of the weather on building structures in Las Vegas. UNLV University Libraries Al Lermusiaux 5 The date is March 9, 1978. The time is 7:30pm. The place is 3401 El Conlon, Las Vegas, Nevada. The interviewer is Dianne Long, same address. The project is local history project oral interview. Life of a Las Vegas old timer. Al why don’t you start and tell me where you were born and the year and how you got to Las Vegas. All right. I was born in 1926, in a little town just north of Albuquerque, New Mexico. The name of the town is Corrales. How big a town is it? Oh, it’s just a little farming community. What else did you ask me? How you got to Las Vegas. Oh, well in nineteen—the first time I came to Las Vegas was in 1949. Actually, I came through here on a vacation. Were you married at the time? No, I was single at that time and I don’t think I got away from the Nugget in those days. And across the street, right across Fremont Street, there was another gambling establishment, but I can’t remember the name of it. It wasn’t the—I don’t believe it was the Horseshoe, I believe it was called something else. And then in 1951, I was working for a construction firm in Albuquerque, New Mexico. And they got the contract to build the original Camp Mercury, the permanent camp up there. At that time I was sent out here, I had just graduated from the University of New Mexico the previous year and I was sent out here to do all of the field survey work and establish the building locations, the road locations. This is for Camp Mercury? Right, mm-hmm. And this was for a firm named (unintelligible) Construction Company. (Unintelligible) had had an office here in Las Vegas. They would first come down here in 1941 UNLV University Libraries Al Lermusiaux 6 and amongst the projects that they built were the original Kelso-Turner low cost housing development down there on Bonanza, between what is now Charleston and Tenth, and the Southern Nevada Memorial Hospital. What year was this in now? This was in the forties. But their home office was in Albuquerque and I got sent out here in 1951 to do the job up in Mercury. I was actually only supposed to come out here for three weeks. And I stayed on and then that led to another job, they expanded the local office to the point where they asked me to stay here. So I did and I moved my family up here from Albuquerque. I was just recently married at the time. So in those days, Las Vegas was, I think the population was just slightly over twenty thousand, maybe it was twenty-two thousand. That was the Chamber of Commerce’s biggest estimates. The town itself was pretty much centered in the downtown area. The Strip was in existence, of course. What was on the Strip at that time? That time on the Strip there was the Desert Inn. As it is now or did it look different? Well it looked different. It only had about two hundred rooms and it had the casino, of course, and then the one or two story (unintelligible) which is the way all the hotels were. There was the El Rancho, The Last Frontier. There was the Flamingo and that was about the extent of the hotels on the Strip, because the following—No, the Thunderbird was here also. And then in the pursuing years is when they built the Sahara, the Riviera, Tropicana. Those are the hotels. The Strip itself was, as I recall it, I think only had the two lanes, possibly might have had four, but there was no curves or gutters. And outside of the street signs there weren’t any, outside of the signs rather the commercial signs in front of the hotels, there wasn’t any street lighting that I can UNLV University Libraries Al Lermusiaux 7 remember. What was between those hotels and downtown? Well there were pretty much what exists today except to a lesser degree. There were various motels, the Lincoln Mercury distributor used to be down there, intersection of Main and Fifth Street there and Las Vegas Boulevard South. Where the Sahara is now used to be a place called the Old Club Bingo, and right next door to it was a little shack that was the American (unintelligible) headquarters. But what we’ve come to call Sahara was San Francisco in those days, and what we call Tropicana was Bond Road. Were they paved? No, and there was a grade crossing only at the San Francisco then to cross the tracks. San Francisco, I correct myself, was paved a portion of the way now that I remember, it was paved. But the Tropicana Bond Road was not paved. The Paradise Valley area was pretty desolate, I mean pretty sparsely settled. There really wasn’t anything out there to speak of. What about Henderson? (Unintelligible) Henderson, the old town side area that you’d presently see, there the older buildings, that was all there. And, of course, the downtown area that exists today, none of those buildings, the bank building, none of those were there. All the, most of the businesses were still in the old army barrack style buildings that they built there at the time they built the town site. The plant was, of course, just being utilized by other companies such as Stockford and at that time, take it over. Henderson was really, awfully small. Boulder City was, of course, in those days under the government’s control. There wasn’t any, there was one or two beer bars as I recall it downtown. There was no gambling whatever and they had the one bar that advertised free beer on any day that the sun fails to shine. And I remember about this time finally we had a period where the sun UNLV University Libraries Al Lermusiaux 8 hadn’t shone in Boulder City on that day and there was a whole caravan almost getting ready to go to Boulder City and, by golly, before the end of the day the sun came out so. (Laughs). Railroad Pass, that place was in existence there. The casino and restaurant. And there was another dinner spot and gambling joint there right where the railroad crosses the highway between Henderson and Boulder City, but it burned down in the fifties sometime, as I recall it. But those were the two closest gathering places that were in Boulder City at that time. Did Henderson at that time have gambling? I believe so but I can’t honestly tell you. I don’t really remember. Here in the Downtown area where the Fremont is now there used to be a Shell filling station. And where the Four Queens is now used to be the White Cross Drug Store and also that was the main office for Nevada Power Company. About what year are we talking approximately? The early fifties. Okay. Early to mid-fifties. And during that period of time, of course, we didn’t have any dial telephones here, you know. In the Nugget I remember they did used to have a crank (unintelligible) telephone. Did they always give the free (unintelligible) like they do now? Oh, yeah! As a matter of fact, there was a little more, the town was quite a bit smaller and you knew quite a few more people. In the construction business, some of the names that are still around were there then. J.A. Tiberti was starting to come up. As a matter of fact, at that time he built one of his first major jobs downtown. It was the Woolworth’s store, and he built the UNLV University Libraries Al Lermusiaux 9 addition to the First National Bank down there on Third Street. We built quite a few schools at that time. In addition to some schools, we built Boulder City High School. And we built the high school, the John C. Fremont School. We built the high school auditorium. And you were asking me earlier if there was any change in, for instance, governmental inspection agencies. There were. The city didn’t have too much personnel. Really they might have had one or two inspectors. And the inspection, if any, was pretty lax just due to lack of personnel. The county, when I first came here I don’t believe the county even had a building department. If they did, it was awfully small. All the county’s activities were all in the old courthouse. Which is where the (unintelligible) offices are now even though the (unintelligible)— The annex? Right, the front’s on Third Street there. Mm-hm. And then there was a little adobe building in front of it on Carson. Which is where the (unintelligible) used to be and I think that’s (unintelligible) was there too. Would you say there’s more (unintelligible) in building the buildings than there was back then? Oh, my God. Absolutely, yes. In those days there wasn’t any plan checking, you didn’t go through any of those procedures at all. As a matter of fact, if you go up and down Main Street, there’s one type of building that was built by an old contractor named Harry Stocks and they were probably all drawn off or built off the same set of plans. You can identify them all by a concrete canopy and a concrete (unintelligible) and I’ll give you two examples of these. The Coca-Cola building there on North Main Street and then you go further down South Main, I think there’s a garage and a couple of buildings down around Main and Gas that he built. UNLV University Libraries Al Lermusiaux 10 There’s a building on Main there that is big, several stories, and I think it’s an ice house, ice company. Oh yes, that is the old Union Pacific Ice House. That’s been there for years. That was there before I came here. It looks old. Yes. It looks (unintelligible). It’s been there a long time. But there weren’t any problems so far as plan checking, different agencies involved, whereas now if you go to build a building you have to go to planning, and then you have to go to the Health Department, and then you have to go to the Water District, and you have to go to the Sanitation Commission, and then you have to go to the Building Department. And each department has this little bunch of (unintelligible) and the other one. In those days, you went there and built something and that was the end of it. Who was (unintelligible)? Well in, let me see, I think C.D. Baker was the Mayor then. And Archie Grant and Rex (unintelligible) were commissioners during this time. Are we still talking early-fifties? Mm-hmm. I’m trying to think of the man that was the Vice President with the First National Bank. Reed Whipple. He was a commissioner. One of the Bunkers I believe was a commissioner then. And Glen Jones was the sheriff and I think Bob Jones was the district attorney. There was a squabble I remember going on between those. Were there any Lambs around at that time? Yes, as a matter of fact. Ralph Lamb was a captain, he was on the sheriff’s department with Glen UNLV University Libraries Al Lermusiaux 11 Jones at that time. And Darwin Lamb I think was, in those days, was working for Well’s Cargo as I recall. I don’t know what Floyd Lamb was doing. But I remember very definitely that Ralph Lamb was there because there used to be a house of prostitution out here on Boulder Highway called Roxie’s. And, as a matter of fact, there’s a bar out there called the Four Mile Bar on Boulder Highway, where Roxie’s used to be right across the road from it and it was called Roxie’s Four Mile. They could never get the sheriff to raid the place and finally the federal government was going to conduct a raid on (unintelligible) slavery-type charge, and the sheriff got wind of it and so he conducted the raid just prior to the federal boys moving in there. And I remember the Las Vegas Sun, Hank Greenspun in his column (unintelligible) wrote up the raid the same as, you know, ’Twas the Night Before Christmas. (Laughs). And, I think I still have it saved someplace. Anyways, he goes on in the form of “Twas the night before the raid and all through the place.” And goes on, when he gets to the point in the poem of ’Twas the Night Before Christmas, you know Santa Claus is saying “on, Donner and Blitzen,” well in this case here Glen Jones was saying “on Payton on Lamb.” (Laughs). And he’s referring to the names of all the sheriffs that were with him on the raid. That’s how I remember that Ralph Lamb was there. (Laughs). (Laughs). (Unintelligible) But most of the (unintelligible) inspections to turn, most of the major projects in town, they used to have an architect who would have a full-time inspector on the job and they would qualify the inspector. And the result, the major projects did receive proper inspection. So this wasn’t about the buildings that were there at that time but they could, you know, UNLV University Libraries Al Lermusiaux 12 (unintelligible). Would they need specific—? Oh, yes! Mm-hmm. Yes, because in most of those the owners, whether it was a casino or whether it was county building or a publicly owned building of some kind, the architect was paid enough of the fees so that he could hire (unintelligible) inspector. Stayed around the job and actually see that things were done properly. Like sewage treatment plans, for instance, that we built here, we built the city’s plan, we built the (unintelligible) station for North Las Vegas and the consulting engineer that was in charge of those had a resident engineer on the job that actually checked everything. They conducted a pretty rigid inspection and, as a matter of fact, things were under a lot more control than what they are under these present. Where they have the building inspectors that come out—? Yeah, or you got these inspectors, say from the city or county, going out there that aren’t really familiar with the job so they don’t know. At that time then somebody had to be an engineer to be an inspector? Not necessarily, but I recall when we built the high school auditorium, for instance, the architect was out of Los Angeles, he was an architect named Claude Bewman and his inspector was a man that he sent out from Los Angeles who was a registered inspector in the city of Los Angeles. So even though he wasn’t an engineering school graduate, I mean he was surely confident and qualified to inspect the job. However, some of the, a lot of the structures that were built around town, smaller commercial buildings and some, there’s no doubt that, in my mind, that there were a lot of code violations that took place. A lot of these do-it-yourself programs, a lot of people could add on things in those days because there wasn’t really any planning that was enforced or things of that nature. Yes. How would that, I forgot how many years ago it was, but wasn’t there a garage or UNLV University Libraries Al Lermusiaux 13 something Downtown that collapsed? That was here about ten years ago and that was the parking garage of the El Cortez and that was under construction. That was a case of a pre-cast concrete member being improperly fabricated actually. But that situation was corrected. (Laughs). I hope so. Oh, yes. No, they took care of that and they made sure the rest of it was all right. But as I recall it, it was a firm out of Phoenix I think. As a matter of fact, I think it was Arizona (unintelligible) that was making all the pre-cast (unintelligible) and they just goofed on one of them. I forget exactly what it was that happened. Was anyone hurt in that? I can’t remember. Uh, you know I was there within about a half an hour after it—I don’t believe anyone was injured at that time. Came awfully close, but it didn’t injure anyone. I don’t really remember, but I remember I was right there. It happened just in the morning, early morning. Have you actually participated in any building of the casinos or the big hotels we have in town? Yes, I built the highrise at the Dunes and the Fremont Hotel. I did the Old Lucky Strike (unintelligible) which was right next door to the Nugget. It’s all part of the Nugget complex now. And I did a portion of some of the remodel out of the Club Blue which became what is now the Sands. I did another job out at the Dunes, but that’s been about the only gambling establishments we built. We built a house for Tutor Scherer, who was one of the owners of the Pioneer Club. And the interesting side-note on that is we had just in the days, just during the quarry and (unintelligible) there, materials were controlled and you couldn’t start a new building but you could add on or refurbish one. So we started out with what was a perfectly good two-bedroom UNLV University Libraries Al Lermusiaux 14 house down at the corner of Kent and Charleston. And piece by piece, we demolished it until there wasn’t anything left of the original. Then we just started building the new house. And that’s how Tutor Scherer got his house built down there. And that was a case where you went to get paid and you would take your payment certificate at the end of the month and go to the architect, who was a fella named (unintelligible) McDonald. We presented the payment certificate to him and he would approve and he’d sign it, and then you took it to Mr. Scherer and he would put LBS on there. And then you took this thing down to the cage at the Pioneer Club and they would pay you in cash. Oh, that’s neat (laughs). They don’t do that anymore. No (laughs). There were no checks involved. Wow. And we used to do it all the work for the telephone company and the power company which is owned by one man, a fella named Sam Lawson. He operated pretty much the same. At the end of the month he would call you up and ask you what the bill was going to be that month. On the thirtieth day, he would call you up and ask you what the bill was going to be. So you would call him back at the end of the day and tell him the bill that month was going to be such-and-such amount of dollars and he would say “Well you have a bill ready for me?” and you would say “yes.” So an hour later here would come a runner with a check, and he would give you the check and you would give him the bill. Wow. Things are sure different now, aren’t they? (Laughs). Wait (unintelligible) to get paid. That’s a good system. What about remodeling? There has to have been a lot of remodeling that’s gone on in those casinos since then. Yes, they’ve gone in. There have been so many people involved in those that. They used to like UNLV University Libraries Al Lermusiaux 15 to deal primarily with sub-directories. Come do the concrete (unintelligible). Come do the glass work. Back in the early fifties I know there were quite a few instances where a sub would go in there and give an estimate on the job of twenty-five hundred dollars. So they would say “well, I’ll give you three thousand dollars but you have to sign a receipt for me for six thousand.” And that was so they could launder a little bit of the money and they would keep it for themselves, you know. What about construction costs? As opposed to a job back then that you would get out for twenty-five hundred dollars, what would that kind of job go for now? Well, I’ll give you, back in 1951, a carpenter got two dollars and forty-five cents an hour. That’s a union carpenter. Today, the same carpenter is costing you fourteen dollars and three cents an hour. Wow. A plumber used to be two dollars and fifty-five cents an hour. A plumber today costs you sixteen dollars and eleven cents an hour. Concrete used to sell in the neighborhood of, I believe around, ten, eleven dollars a yard, while the price is now a little over thirty dollars a yard. Lumber used to go for sixty, seventy dollars (unintelligible), lumber is now over three hundred dollars a (unintelligible). What would a nice middle class home at that time cost? At that time? Yes. Well in the early fifties, the Hyde Park subdivision, up there on West Charleston, was built and those houses, two and three bedroom homes, they weren’t anything lavish. But a two bedroom house used to cost about eighty-five hundred dollars. And the Glen Heather homes down here, UNLV University Libraries Al Lermusiaux 16 about 1955, ‘56, down here at the corner of Rancho and Oakey, those houses were selling for sixteen to eighteen thousand dollars. Those were a lot nicer homes, as far as tract homes are concerned. Yes. So you can see there’s (unintelligible). What about, we were talking previously about the water (unintelligible) and flooding that was going on in Las Vegas. You mentioned a couple of floods in, say, sixty-five or sixty-six or—? I think it was fifty-four or fifty-six. About that time. We had a couple of good floods, we had a couple of thundershowers that occurred in the summertime, because I remember that it was July or August. It flooded both underpasses. The only way of getting across the track in those days, there was a grade crossing over here at San Francisco, which is now Sahara, and then there was the Charleston underpass and the Bonanza underpass. And the grade crossing over on what’s now Sahara was pretty badly flooded out west of the tracks. Charleston underpass and the Bonanza underpass were flooded. The Miller underpass in North Las Vegas was flooded. And people were making their way across town by going through Home Lumber Company’s yard there on North Main, just behind where the Union Plaza is now. And driving through Home Lumber Company’s yard and driving across the tracks. That was the only way to get across town that night. People just stranded off and down the Valley here, and late for dinner. How was the actual rainfall felt? I don’t remember, but it was pretty heavy. It wasn’t a drizzle. It was a nice little cloud burst we had at that time. And I remember we were doing a job, we had put in some underground telephone lines going up West Charleston from what’s now Highland on up to, oh, about where UNLV University Libraries Al Lermusiaux 17 the Rancho intersection is now. And I remember watching all this water cascading down Charleston. I could see all of our flares and all of our barricades floating down in the middle of the street, you know. (Laughs). Was anybody injured in those floods then? No, not that I remember. There was three, four cars that were stuck down at the bottom of the underpasses. They weren’t able to get out before the water rose on them. Of course they didn’t get them out until after they, excuse me, drained the underpasses out. Most of the businesses down along Commerce Street there, streets were graded in such a way that that was a low lying area. And after that, one of the standard pieces of furniture around then was all of these gunney sacks filled with sand and as soon as we started seeing some rain everybody would get out there and start sandbagging their front entrances to keep the water from running in the front door. Yes. This has only happened twice since you’ve been here? Twice of, you know, any major consequences. Where really—. Charleston always seems to be flooded whenever we have rainfall, or that underpass over there always seems to be getting some kind of flooding when it rains. Well, I think one of the major reasons is, of course, with all the streets, because they keep adding more streets, a lot of them will drain onto Charleston Boulevard and the storm drain that is there now is very likely just undersized to take care of that much water. Mm. And it just can’t handle it and as a result the underpasses get full. You were mentioning about, was it local high school, you were telling me about when they had plans with (unintelligible). Mm-hmm. UNLV University Libraries Al Lermusiaux 18 Why don’t you tell us that story? Oh, the (unintelligible). As I told you, the ground water level in those days was up pretty close to the surface. It was pretty high and you didn’t have to dig very deep to get some ground water. And during the construction of the high school auditorium, when we excavated for flooding, the amount of ground water we encountered was quite a bit. And the water just used to run down there. And it was (unintelligible) and this job was down fairly deep and we were getting quite a bit of dampness and moisture in it. So they had us install some sumps on both sides of the building to take care of any water that would get up to the level of the orchestra pit. And these sumps had some electric pumps on them, they were automatic pumps. And as soon as the water reached a certain level, the sump, the pump would automatically turn on. They had a pressure horn on there which told you that the water was rising pretty fast, but the pump was in operation. And after they had, the school district had occupied the building, we got a call that they were flooded down there. So we went down to see what had happened and they said the sump pumps weren’t working. So we asked the custodian what he remembered and he said, oh well the only thing he knew was the horn was just blaring and he couldn’t get the horn to shut up. So he got in, the only way to get the horn to shut down was to turn the switch off. Well actually what he did is he shut the pumps off and that’s what caused the flooding. So we told him not to turn the switch off anymore, to just leave the pump alone. They agreed and a couple of months roll by and we get a call, they’re flooded again. So we went down there, asked them, “did you turn the pump off like you did last time?” and they said “oh no, it didn’t even go on this time.” So what happened? Well, there was a power outage. In this job there was an emergency generator, we said “well the emergency generator should have kicked on.” Well it didn’t kick on so we went to look at the emergency generator, and what UNLV University Libraries Al Lermusiaux 19 had happened is they hadn’t been checking it and the battery had run down. So we told them “well you have to maintain this thing and make sure the battery is okay, just like an automobile.” So after giving them the instructions, we went away. A couple of months later we get a call again. Orchestra pit is flooded again. Well what happened this time? Another power, generator didn’t come on. What about the battery? “Oh we checked the battery, the battery is fine.” So we went down there and checked the battery and sure enough the battery was good. But meanwhile they had allowed the thing, the system, to run out of gasoline. (Laughs). And that’s the last time we ever went down there. (Laughs). But in those days, most, I think I told you, most major buildings had their own emergency generator system because power outages were a real common thing around here. And there was only one thing that was worse than a power outage and that was the telephone service. Because, you know, we didn’t get dial telephone service until 1955, I think it was. So in our business, the construction business, particularly when we were doing a job, on any day that you’re doing a job, you would call and (unintelligible). You were constantly on the telephone asking for quotations, etcetera, etcetera. Well it was a common occurrence around here, you would pick up a telephone and the next thing you knew you were involved in a three-way conversation with two other people you didn’t even know. So that was bad enough but, particularly from 3:30 to 5:30 in the afternoon and midmorning, during the periods of heavy telephone traffic, it was impossible to get an operator. You used to have to wait until the operator came on the line and you gave her your number and it was impossible to get an operator. So the two most prized things that were in any UNLV University Libraries Al Lermusiaux 20 business office was a big long extension cord on a telephone and one of these cradles, you know, for the hand piece, and that way you walked around with a big, long cord and a head rest. And then you could walk around, go about your normal business. Walk from one part of the office to the other, until finally the operator would come on and ask you for your number. (Laughs). On good days, we found it was faster a lot of times if we were soliciting bids from all the subcontractors rather than wait around to try to get the operator on the telephone to place a call. And that was just for local calls here. We would go down to Western Union and send out telegrams. Wow. And that was faster than making a telephone call. (Unintelligible). Yes. But, of course, that was the case of when the time was just ballooning around the telephone company and telephone company was just impossible for anybody to keep up the demand that was being laid on ‘em, you know. Mm. About this time I also remember we were, the telephone company would call us down, and their main office used to be in the blue building next to the alley that runs parallel to Fifth and Fourth Street, it runs between Carson and goes up half a block. In this building was where all the switch boards were and as business kept increasing, they just kept adding more switch boards in this little building and pretty soon they had (unintelligible) stacked up as close as you could stack them. They called us in one day and they said “come down here and fix the acoustic tile on the ceiling because some of it is falling down.” So I went down and I took a look at it. The more I UNLV University Libraries Al Lermusiaux 21 looked at it, it didn’t look to me like it was an acoustic tile ceiling that was falling down. So I got up in the attic and I looked. And, low and behold, I discovered that as they kept adding banks of switch boards on there, they kept feeding in all of these heavy cables through the trusses in there to get to these switch boards. They had overloaded these trusses so badly that they actually had cracked two of them in two. Oh. The whole roof was ready to collapse. Geez. And here are all these switch board operators working down there. (Laughs). Oh, wow. So we immediately got in there and we shored up the ceiling. And everybody kept on working. Then we designed some footings and we put in some pipe columns. Then we had to take these tresses out and we put in a new structure. (Tape one ends) You mentioned that you were a member of the J.C.’s. What year did you start in there? I, let’s see, I joined J.C. (unintelligible) in 1954, 55. Then I was there until 1962. Who were some of the members that were in there? Oh, let me see. Johnny Quarry, Jim Cashman, Ralph Moreso. Al Weider, you know from Weider Trucking, I don’t know if you know him. Zach Burke from Nevada Rebar. Ralph Robinson, Keith Ashwood, Ed Fike. (Unintelligible) Hooks, who is now with Metro. Jerry (unintelligible), the architect from (unintelligible). Bob O’Brien, Mike (unintelligible). I don’t know if you ever knew Mike (unintelligible). Bob Cardinal, Jerry Natale. Just about the time I was lead. The (unintelligible). Kenny Jackson. Was in (unintelligible). UNLV University Libra