Transcript of interview with Lovee duBoef Arum by Barbara Tabach, November 1, 2016

AN INTERVIEW WITH LOVEE DUBOEF ARUM An Oral History Conducted by Barbara Tabach Southern Nevada Jewish Heritage Project Oral History Research Center at UNLV University Libraries University of Nevada Las Vegas ii ?Southern Nevada Jewish Community Digital Heritage Project University of Nevada Las Vegas, 2014 Produced by: The Oral History Research Center at UNLV ? University Libraries Director: Claytee D. White Project Manager: Barbara Tabach Transcriber: Kristin Hicks Interviewers: Barbara Tabach, Claytee D. White Editors and Project Assistants: Maggie Lopes, Amanda Hammar iii The recorded interview and transcript have been made possible through the generosity of a Library Services and Technology Act (LSTA) Grant. The Oral History Research Center enables students and staff to work together with community members to generate this selection of first-person narratives. The participants in this project thank University of Nevada Las Vegas for the support given that allowed an idea the opportunity to flourish. The transcript received minimal editing that includes the elimination of fragments, false starts, and repetitions in order to enhance the reader?s understanding of the material. All measures have been taken to preserve the style and language of the narrator. In several cases photographic sources accompany the individual interviews with permission of the narrator. The following interview is part of a series of interviews conducted under the auspices of the Southern Nevada Jewish Heritage Project. Claytee D. White Director, Oral History Research Center University Libraries University of Nevada Las Vegas iv PREFACE Lovee Arum is the Chief Financial Officer of the Morris A. Hazan Family Foundation and Director of Hospitality for her husband Bob Arum?s boxing promotion company Top Rank. She holds a Nevada Real Estate Broker Sales License and was a partner in Western Linen (a Las Vegas linen rental and laundry company) for many years. Arum is a volunteer and philanthropist in the Las Vegas, Nevada community and works with organizations such as Temple Beth Sholom and the Nathan Adelson Hospice. In this interview, Arum reflects upon her childhood in Beverly Hills, California, and first experiencing Las Vegas after her father, Morris Hazan, established Western Linen. She discusses adjusting to Las Vegas life after moving to the city with her first husband, Larry duBoef, in 1963, and raising her daughter and son within the local Jewish community. Arum also talks about meeting her current husband, Bob Arum, and her various philanthropic activities, including Junior League, United Jewish Appeal, Keep Memory Alive and establishment of the Lou Ruvo Center for Brain Health. v TABLE OF CONTENTS Interview with Lovee duBoef Arum On November 1, 2016 by Barbara Tabach in Las Vegas, Nevada Preface?????????????????????????????????..?..iv Shares about family background, maternal side from Ukraine, eventually settling in Southern California; father?s roots in Greece, emigrating to Seattle and moving to Los Angeles. Talks about father?s entrepreneurship; getting into grocery business from young age, then into other industries; frequent holidays to Las Vegas; eventually convinced by Las Vegas hotels to start local linen company, Western Linen. Describes growing up in Beverly Hills??????...1-5 Discusses moving to Las Vegas with then husband, Larry duBoef, and experiencing culture shock; graduating from UNLV with art history degree; getting into real estate; becoming mother to daughter and son. Reflects upon her Jewish upbringing, with both Ashkenazi and Sephardic traditions. Describes what a gett is and her process of getting one to divorce Larry in accordance with Judaism; raising her children Jewish in city and belonging to Temple Beth Sholom??6-12 Considers the role Judaism has played in her life over the years; role of philanthropy, rooted in parents? values. Talks about becoming involved with local Junior League, as its second Jewish member; her children?s involvement with local Jewish community. Mentions involvement with UNLV Running Rebels during Coach Tarkanian days. Shares about meeting second husband, Bob Arum, multiple times, before eventually dating and marrying..?????????...13-17 Discusses city?s entertainment scene over the years, from fashion to acts, including Wayne Newton, the Rat Pack, Bette Milder. Compares social life in Las Vegas to Los Angeles. Mentions friendship with Carole Bayer Sager. Talks about community service, philanthropic work, including involvement with Home of the Good Shepherd, United Jewish Appeal, Junior League, The Lion of Judah, Keep Memory Alive, Nevada Ballet, Smith Center?????18-23 Talks about daughter-in-law, Heather duBoef, success in starting charity Nevada Women?s Philanthropy; establishment of the Cleveland Clinic Lou Ruvo Brain Health Center and her sevice on the board. Mentions serving as adviser on UNLV?s Foundation board; her motivations for charity work; the good and bad about raising children in Las Vegas????..???...24-29 Comments on children working for Top Rank, Bob Arum?s company. Reflects upon Las Vegas? mob connections, though it not obvious at time; Gus Greenbaum, Moe Dalitz, Jerry Zarowitz. Mentions purchasing home on Pinto Lane from Howard Hughes; later selling to former mayor Jan Jones; home then owned by Andre Agassi and now Brandon Flowers of The Killers?..30-35 Index........................................................................................................................................36-37 vi 1 This is Barbara Tabach. Today is November 1, 2016. I am sitting with Lovee Arum. Lovee, spell your name first for me. L-O-V-E-E, and the last name is A-R-U-M. And you have duBoef. Now, would you like that name on the book when we?you're going to eventually get a book with your name embossed on it. Yes. And that's spelled? Small D-U, capital B-O-E-F, F as in Frank. Okay, great. As I was saying, for the Jewish Heritage project, it's really kind of nice to lay an ancestral roots story line. Do you know much about your parents' background, where they or your grandparents came from? I do. I know my mother's grandparents were from Odessa and Kiev. Her parents were born in New York, in Rochester. Unfortunately, when she was about seven years old, her mother died of what they call consumption or tuberculosis, and her father sent her to live with an aunt and an uncle, who was her father's brother, in California. Two years later her father married another woman. They were going to go out to California and pick up my mother, and she was finally going to be with her father. He was a traveling salesman and fell asleep at night going over a bridge. At nine years old, my mother had no parents. Oh, my. So an Aunt Hazel and Uncle Herman raised her. Aunt Hazel was not Jewish and Uncle Herman was. So that's where she came from. She was raised in the L.A. area and she went to USC. She lived a very comfortable life then, even as a child. Her uncle was a builder. Was she raised Jewish? 2 She was not raised really anything. That's a very funny question that you ask. But she had an Episcopal aunt. I have a very good friend that just wrote a book, Carole Bayer Sager, songwriter. In the first of the book, she said she didn't even know, because she had people that helped her, took care of her, that "Now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the Lord my soul to keep, if I should die before I wake, I pray the Lord my soul to take" was not a Jewish prayer. "I didn't even know it wasn't a Jewish prayer." And when my sister and I were little, we used to get down on our knees and say that prayer. Oh, how wonderful, though. That's because my aunt had probably taught it to my mother. My mother taught it to us. When you're so little, you don't even think about what the words mean or what they say or anything; you just do what you automatically do. We always knew we were Jewish. But it gave you a good feeling. But with my mother, after she married my father, all the Jewish holidays were at our house with all the aunts and the cousins and everything like that. My father's family came from the Island of Rhodes. Where is that? It's a Greek isle. It's been different things?it's been Turkish; it's been Greek?but it is a Greek isle. It's where many Sephardics went from Spain over through the years to live. There was a big Sephardic Jewish community there, beautiful temple that I've now visited. I went back with my father and Bob and his wife in 1992 or '3. He took us on this trip. Some of the people that met us there or had been there, they showed us where everybody lived, where his father lived. One lady walked in and said, "This is the wallpaper we had in our house." Obviously, there's?oh, I don't think there's any Jews that live there now. And they kept the temple as the memorial. Our boat 3 brought a rabbi and they brought prayer things, and so they did do a service there, but it wasn't the normal. My dad's father left the family and came here to the U.S. And when he got off the boat in Seattle, they were mining for gold in Alaska. He was a big man, with big, strong hands. So he went off to Alaska. He got some gold. He went back, brought the whole family here to us. They were raised in East L.A. They were the kind of a family that did not have meat every night. They all worked. And my dad had three sisters. During the Depression...I remember my father telling us stories that his father would give him flowers to sell and tell him how much to bring home. My father got the knack of going where the ?rich people? came out of the theater or the restaurants and he sold them for double. So he from that day always had money, always. He became an entrepreneur. I was just going to ask, what kind of work did he eventually get into? Well, he started out with flowers and fruit, and had the produce department. He had the flower and fruit stand and then he bought the meat department and eventually he bought all of it as he started out in the grocery business at Westside Market on Sunset Boulevard in Los Angeles, now called the Roxy. Vacationing brought him here, to Las Vegas. Then he went into a cookie business, like Mrs. Fields, and he went and invested in real estate. He was just an entrepreneur. He had a lot of businesses. He did very, very well. Let's talk about...He came here then? He never lived here in Las Vegas. Oh, he never lived here. But he opened a business here? Oh, yes, he did. When he was younger and made money, we lived in Beverly Hills. We went from Los Angeles, where it was called Beverlywood to Beverly Hills. I think I was eight years old when 4 we moved there. My father had a business in Los Angeles; it was a grocery store. It had a liquor store. It had fine foods. At Christmastime, they made these incredible baskets, which you see today. He did a lot of business with the studios. So that's how he started that part of his business. My dad used to come up to Las Vegas with my mother and gamble because everybody thought it was so cool. That's what they did. She'd get all dressed up and they'd get on an airplane and they'd come up here. I think my sister and I came here the first time when I was seven and she was five. I remember their being in the Golden Nugget downtown and we couldn't go in while they gambled or something. I remember there was somebody that was watching us. Then we went on a driving trip through the western United States. But that was the first time I was here and then I came here often after that. My father met a lot of people at the Flamingo. He had some cash and he decided he was going to build a motel. They talked him into building a linen company because the hotel owners didn't like this Ali?and I'm trying to think of his last name?the people at American Linen. They were the only linen suppliers in town and I guess they were just killing everybody and they didn't like him. So they asked my father, "Would you consider investing in a linen supply company?" In 1952, my father with three other gentlemen had a partnership; one was in the linen business in California, one was from Omaha, Nebraska, and one was also in the linen business and I'm not sure where he was from. The one from Omaha wouldn't fly. So every time he would come here, he would have to take a train. The one from Omaha also had some kind of gambling out of Omaha on a lake. Well, that wasn't legal, I'm sure. Probably illegal. His name was Izzy Ziegman and her name was Rose; I remember that. I was really little, but I remember it. Izzy just couldn't bear the travel, so they bought him out. And then 5 one partner died and the other two were required to buy him out; left two men owning the business. My father didn't really know anything about the linen supply business, but he was a great personality and he could get all the business; that's what he did. He never lived here. Neither of them ever lived here. But he had investments here. He had the linen company. What was the name of it? Western Linen. Western, okay. Does that business still exist? They sold it. I don't think it exists under that name anymore. But the Western Avenue here? Yes. You know where Western is? Yes. That was named after the business. I've always wondered how that street got its name. I think it was called Close Road or something. Interesting. So how was it to grow up in Beverly Hills? What was your childhood like? It was great. You took a lot of things for granted, I suppose. We would go on Friday nights to a friend's house and watch movies. We would ride our bikes. We would go into town and go to the movies on Saturday afternoons. It was just great. It wasn't like what you might think of. What brought you to Las Vegas? Tell me how that trajectory happens. I had just married Larry duBoef and Larry's father had a lot of property here; we thought it was right behind the Desert Inn; it actually was [next] to Nellis. [Laughing] It was up Nellis Boulevard 6 and the Boulder Highway. But he did have a lot of property here. Then my father had to buy the linen company from his partner because in those days you couldn't have competing businesses. It was American Linen and Community Linen bought American Linen?or American Linen bought Community Linen. In other words, his partner would have been running both companies, owner in both companies, and he couldn't do that because the law in those days wouldn't allow it. So my father bought him out and now he's got himself this big linen company. He had somebody working for him and all of a sudden the numbers didn't make sense. So I don't know how it came about, but my husband was in the agency business, television agency handling actors and actresses and writers and things like that. Somehow or another we were going to come here for five years and he was going to help in the linen supply company and check about developing his father's land. I really played with it whether we should and I never forget asking my family doctor. He said to me, "Lovee, you're so young." I was so young I couldn't vote. Oh, wow. That's right. And he said, "What's five years? It's nothing." And here I am; I'm still here. So the year you came was 1963. Yes. What was the city like to you? What do you remember about it? I remember culture shock. I can relate it to shopping in grocery stores and the department stores. People would say "extree" instead of "extra." I mean, I can't tell you how I felt when I moved here. Where did you live at first, what neighborhood? When we first moved here, we moved into an apartment called Fleur de Lis on Maryland Parkway 7 right near where the Boulevard Mall is, on the other side of the street, though. We were only there a very short time because an entertainer lived above us and she worked late, late at night. It was unbelievable. She was always...They'd come home and she'd bring people in with her. It was just an apartment. Then we moved to the Palms Apartments, which were on Sahara between Maryland and Paradise. There's a big apartment complex there. And then in 1964, I guess, we bought a home on Rosemary Lane. What neighborhood is that in? It backs up to Rancho Circle. All right. I know that area, okay. I remember the house came?they were brand-new housing developments?came with a swimming pool, a washer, a dryer and a color TV. Now, that's quite a combination. That's great. So did you work at that time? Well, I hadn't finished my college education, obviously. I was so young. So I went to UNLV and there was nothing; it was one building. There was really nothing that I could take that even related; I was an art history major at that time. So I got my real estate license and I started doing real estate. Talk about that. That had to be fascinating. It was. Talk about it... Was the market hot at that time? No. Oh, it wasn't, okay. Everybody thought it was. It was a new place. No. There were a lot of older places that needed to be sold. Was it hot at that time? No, not really. Not really. 8 Then I got pregnant, had my daughter, then had my son. I played a lot of tennis at the Las Vegas Country Club. Ended up getting into philanthropic things, which is really where I base my life; that's what I've done mostly even at the school when they went to Wasden Elementary. It was called West Charleston at that time. Whether it was with the PTA, I was always involved in something that kept me busier than a full-time job. But there was a point when I did go back to the real estate and that's just about the time Spanish Oaks opened. I don't really remember what frame it was of time. So talk about your Jewish upbringing. My Jewish upbringing...When I was eight or nine years old, we joined Temple Israel of Hollywood, a reform temple in L.A.. Prior to that, my father being Sephardic, we would occasionally go with him, very occasionally, to synagogue down at the temple and that was down in East L.A. at that time. That was more of an orthodox temple, and so it wasn't something that we did very often. My dad would go if he had to go for whatever the holidays were. We had all holidays at our home?Passover, Hanukkah?whatever there was. My father had three sisters and they had children and our home was always the center of all of those activities. A lot of it had to do with the food because they made different foods; the Sephardic foods are different. So I'm half-and-half; my mother's Ashkenazi and my father is Sephardic. Most of my friends were Jewish. In the school when it would be a Jewish holiday, there would maybe be three, four kids left in class. They didn't close the schools then. Well, they still don't here. No. No. They do in New York. Yes. 9 I wasn't bat mitzvahed. I went to Sunday school for many years and then I went to confirmation class and I was confirmed at age fifteen, I think it was, with a group. Bat mitzvahs weren't very common then. No. Not at all. That's more of a recent phenomenon. Yes. Like the last thirty years maybe or so, yes. Both times I married Jewish men, both times with a rabbi. I had to get a gett from my first husband. For someone who listening to this and doesn't know what a gett is, could you explain what that is? It's a Jewish divorce. And the rules of a Jewish divorce are that the man divorces the woman; the woman does not have the right to divorce the man without his permission. I didn't know the first thing; I had never heard the word gett. And my good friend Susie Molasky when Larry duBoef and I got a divorce?and it was an amicable divorce?when we got the divorce, she said, "Lovee, go get a gett." I said, "What are you talking about go get a gett?" She said, "Call the rabbi and go and do it now. You never know; you might want to get married; something might happen." "I'm never getting married again." [Laughing] I just want to live, you know. Anyway, I called the rabbi at the time and they gave me a form and Larry gave his power of attorney to a rabbi. Then from the Temple Beth Sholom here that was down on...St. Louis? Oakey or...Yes. Yes, something like that. And on 16th. They told me I'd have to get it in L.A. because they didn't 10 do those things here. The main place was in Los Angeles. I got that divorce, that gett in 1989, I believe. I went to this place and there were three or four rabbis and one [acts] as your husband and you have to walk around him so many times in a circle. And they take what was your ketubah from your marriage and they tear it up. It's really something to do. It really was an experience. I just had never...I never anticipated any of it. But I did it and I walked out of there. It's interesting because I cried when I left. I just had that emotional feeling. Even though I was happy getting the divorce and very happy with my life?and I did not have anybody in my life, but it was just...It was the right thing to be doing. So it's a very ritualized ending to that relationship. Totally is what it was, yes. And you had two children. We had two children, both born at Sunrise, one in '65 and one in '67. They were completely raised Jewish. They started Sunday school at Beth Sholom and the whole deal. So explain...I'm familiar with Ashkenazi and Sephardic. I've never met anybody who...They [have] two distinctive ways of celebrating the holidays? Is that...? Yes. But I was so young when I got married and I moved here when I was so very young and my husband was from the Ashkenazi side and for the first few years that we lived here we did all of our holidays in L.A. So we would either be at his mother's or my father's. We had a much bigger family and my father had a much bigger house. So we were usually at my father's. And if we were at my father's, they made like Sephardic food and things like that, like things that you had, borekas. Do you know what that is? No, I don't know what a boreka is. It's phyllo dough and it has spinach or it has potatoes in it. 11 Oh, okay. I would like that. Yes. And then there's these pastellis they're called; they're little round...They can have meat in them or rice or something like that and it's dough. Kind of like a pierogi? I don't know. It's a Polish thing. Maybe. I think they all relate. They do. So that's more Sephardic? That was Sephardic, yes. I didn't eat a lot of the food, but I don't like either kinds of Jewish food. I'm just...I like mayonnaise and white bread. [Laughing] Lettuce and tomato on it, a piece of Swiss cheese. So you didn't keep kosher, I guess. No. Bob did, you know. Bob's family. Did you know that? I think he told me that, yes. Oh, yes. He was raised...He hadn't been to a restaurant, I think, until he went to college or something. Once in a great while they would go to a kosher restaurant. But, no, he was definitely raised orthodox. My first husband's family, they weren't orthodox and they didn't keep kosher, but they were very traditional. His father had studied at a Shiva. So they walked to temple. And it was not a reform temple, which I was used to; it was probably either conservative or something like that. How did you choose how you were going to raise your children? Well, we only had one temple here. We had no choice. I really would have preferred it?I still would?prefer to go to a reform temple, but I've always had...I've been to this one. And it was very 12 interesting because my little boy, my son at the time, Todd, when he was going to be ready for bar mitzvah, right behind us was Ner Tamid. They went into this...Across the school. I don't know what it was originally, Salvation Army or something like that. That's where they started their temple before they got the property out in Henderson. I said, "Why don't we go here? It's right behind us and you can learn." "I want to go to the temple that we always go to." Because the kids, they've had some feeling. It was a community. It was a community. So when you moved here did you immediately join the temple? No, I didn't. Not at all. We went back for the holidays. Then I came here and I was sick and I couldn't go back home for Yom Kippur. So my ex-husband went over to the temple and bought two tickets for us to go to synagogue. That was the beginning of... And that was it. [Pause in recording] So both kids were raised at Temple Beth Sholom. Did your daughter have a bat mitzvah? No. What part of town would you associate with your roots here in Las Vegas? The west side, really around where Rancho Circle was, in that area. I lived there for twenty years. That's where I raised the children. They went to school there, et cetera. Then when I met Bob he was living in a town house over here. I asked him, because we were going to sell our big house over there?we had a fabulous home?and I asked him, "Why don't we just buy this home from Larry? I would only have to buy half." And Bob didn't want to 13 live in the house where I raised my kids. Everybody in the community, all of our friends?I always had that kind of a personality that everybody came to our house; I had eighty people for break-fast here this year. Wow. That's a lot of people. That's a lot of people, yes, and I do things like that. You do things in a grand way, an elegant way. Not always, but...No. But who do you leave out when it's break-fast, the person sitting behind you who knows you're doing this? That's really cool. So how do you think being raised Jewish, what kind of impact did that have on your life and the things that you did choose to do? It really didn't because all my contemporaries were the same; we were all raised Jewish. I didn't know anybody that was really, really orthodox. We went to Sunday school together. We went to the boys' bar mitzvahs together. And I just knew how I would raise my life. I don't do Sabbath dinners. I don't light the candles. I did with my first husband for a while because his mother did that. I did it for a while and then I just didn't because that's just not the way I was raised or that we lived. Do you think your interest in philanthropy is rooted in your Judaism? I think my interest in philanthropy?absolutely not?came from my father and my parents. Tell me about that. He was very philanthropic going back to the days, I guess, before I was born even. During the war, the Second World War, he couldn't go to war. He had asthma and was color blind and everything else was the matter and he had this grocery store on Sunset. So I've seen posters of him with a chef hat on. He would do big spaghetti nights for all of the soldiers, going back that far. Then it was 14 always one project or another project or something he cared about. The Sportsman Club that did the City of Hope, he was the first one to start this diamond thing where everybody gave a thousand dollars and they got a little diamond pin and they were part of the Diamond Circle. Things like that. So I was just raised as part of it. He always gave to the UJA [United Jewish Appeal] and he always did bonds for Israel. So it was just part of my life. Yes, and that's part of the Jewish culture, it sounds like. Definitely. But we belonged to Hillcrest Country Club in L.A. and when they had the Six-Day War or something, they had a big bond drive at the country club. So it was just part of our lives. I never thought about it. And I really didn't see a lot of anti-Semitism when I was little. Why do you think that is? Have you ever thought about that? Was it because it was highly dense population of Jews? Possibly. How about in Las Vegas, ever observe anti-Semitism here? Not directly, but I knew that there were?well, I was the second Jewish member to what is now called Junior League. Really? Really. At that time, you were invited and you didn't know you were being scrutinized. They take you to a tea or something. People used to do those kinds of things. Lois Levy was the first Jewish girl that went in. A lady by the name of Corky Moss was. She was Mel Moss' wife. She was actually president of the organization. But she wasn't Jewish; her husband was. They lived in the house that Phyllis McGuire lives in today at 100 Rancho Circle. I know where that house is, yes. Isn't that funny? 15 Yes. Her name was Corky Moss. But Lois Levy was the first one to go in and I was the second. I remember?I don't know if I was pregnant or if I had just had my second child?and I remember sitting in my living room and getting this invitation and Burton Cohen?I don't know if you know who? Yes. You know who Burton is. So Burton was there at our house. He was married to somebody else at the time and it was at my smaller house on Rosemary Lane. I said, "Oh, my God, I know that this requires an awful lot of work and I have two children and..." And he looked at me and he said, "You have to do this for your people." Wow. It was a really big deal then. There were the Von Tobels, all of the names that were early Las Vegas. Wow. And to know that...that's significant just being aware of it. Being aware of it. Well, yes. In fact, that's why I chose to bar mitzvah my son in Israel, because we knew everybody here. So you'd end up with two hundred people or something. Majority of them were not Jewish. So this was when I changed my culture was when I moved here. Interesting. Now, your kids, are they involved in the Jewish community as the next generation? Interestingly, my daughter has her little one?she has a baby that will be two in January and she married a man that comes from a strong faith. My daughter is involved at Beth Sholom, not so much on the Sisterhood or anything like that, but with the kids and the temple. I have all eight seats at the High Holidays and they all come and sit with me. 16 That's nice. Yes. We do all of that and have the dinner before. Kids tend to get you reconnected if nothing else with a religion or your own religion it seems. Bob really...Bob wouldn't miss a Yahrzeit. He goes to synagogue at seven thirty in the morning. He knows the holidays and all that kind of stuff. He never eats shellfish or pork, ever. I think...Yes. Well, they basically got it from their birth; it was just expected of them. So tell me about meeting Bob. You two have been married since when? Ninety-one. Ninety-one, okay. So how did you meet? The first time I ever saw him was in synagogue at Rosh Hashanah and I went with my ex-husband, Larry duBoef, and sat in our seats and he introduced me to this man Bob Arum. All I knew is that Bob sometimes had fighters or did fights in Las Vegas. I was very instrumental with the UNLV Rebels when Tarkanian...All through that period. You were part of the Gucci Girls, is that what...? Gucci Row. Is that it? I think Susan showed me photographs of that. Of us as Gucci Row. Yes, we were. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to embarrass you on that. That's okay. That was a ridiculous name. But, yes, I was that. My ex-husband, Larry, did a radio show with Jerry Tarkanian and we were very involved with the team. So we did their end-of-the-year party and whenever we needed to raise money. I did the uniforms for the little girls that... Oh, yes? 17 Yes. I had Larry duBoef?we were in the linen business. So we found somebody to make them. Then I ordered silver pom-poms for hundreds of people. I mean, don't ask. We were really into it then. That had to be fun that whole era. It was the best. Everybody wants that era back. The best. I know. My girlfriend Elaine Wynn...Oh, I mean, we lived it, we ate it, we breathed it. We went to every game. We all got on a plane and went somewhere. It was very exciting times. Oh, yes. When I first moved here, they just raved about that. So then Larry and I separated during that period. I was in California and we separated and then we did get a divorce. Then after we were divorced that Rosh Hashanah, which would have been the Rosh Hashanah in '89, he introduced me to Bob Arum and I said, "We have a mutual friend, Arlene Walsh." Who is my girlfriend from grammar school in L.A. and she was living in New York and her husband was Neil Walsh and he was a friend of Bob's. She said to me, "This guy is coming out to Vegas. Have you ever met him?" And I always said, "No." "Did you go to the fight?" "Yes, but I never met him; I don't know who he is." So when my ex-husband introduced me to him, I simply said to him, "We have a mutual friend, Arlene and Neil Walsh, and she's mentioned you before." That was it. We never spoke. End of story. My father and I are back east because my son is playing hockey in college. It's almost his last year. She bumped into Bob and she knew that my father and I were coming for dinner in a couple