Transcript of interview with Frank Paul Silver by Barbara Tabach, August 29, 2017

An Interview with Dr. Frank P. Silver An Oral History Conducted by Barbara Tabach Southern Nevada Jewish Heritage Project Oral History Research Center at UNLV University Libraries University of Nevada Las Vegas ©Southern Nevada Jewish Heritage Project University of Nevada Las Vegas, 2014 Produced by: The Oral History Research Center at UNLV - University Libraries Director: Claytee D. White Project Manager: Barbara Tabach Transcriber: Kristin Hicks Interviewers: Barbara Tab ach, Claytee D. White Editors and Project Assistants: Maggie Lopes, Amanda Hammar 11 The recorded interview and transcript have been made possible through the generosity of a Library Services and Technology Act (LSTA) Grant. The Oral History Research Center enables students and staff to work together with community members to generate this selection of first- person narratives. The participants in this project thank University of Nevada Las Vegas for the support given that allowed an idea the opportunity to flourish. The transcript received minimal editing that includes the elimination of fragments, false starts, and repetitions in order to enhance the reader’s understanding of the material. All measures have been taken to preserve the style and language of the narrator. In several cases photographic sources accompany the individual interviews with permission of the narrator. The following interview is part of a series of interviews conducted under the auspices of the Southern Nevada Jewish Heritage Project. Claytee D. White Director, Oral History Research Center University Libraries University of Nevada Las Vegas m Preface In 1973, Dr. Frank P. Silver ( 1934 - ) escaped the bitter weather of Philadelphia with his choice to relocate his OB/GYN medical practice to the small community of Boulder City. In his reflections of the move, Dr. Silver recalls his wife Elaine had little input in the initial move. However, with four children to manage, she soon made a home for the Silvers. Before the move, Dr. Silver was a lifelong resident of the Philadelphia area. He graduated from La Salle University, Jefferson University Medical School and did his residency at Nazareth Hospital - all in Philadelphia. In Southern Nevada he enjoyed the weather and the excitement of building his medical practice. He mentions occasional challenges of being Jewish in the 1970s in the area. He also talks about being a shareholder in the Crystal Palace, a Laughlin casino. IV Table of Contents Interview with Dr. Frank P. Silver August 29, 2017 in Las Vegas, Nevada Conducted by Barbara Tabach Preface..................................................................................iv Talks his visit to Las Vegas in 1964; senior resident in OB/GYN at Episcopal Hospital in Philadelphia; stayed at Flamingo, staying in next room was comedian Joey Bishop. Tells of his drummer career in Philadelphia, working with Artie Singer; Dick Clark’s Bandstand television show and his decision to give up on drumming. Mentions Jonathan Winters, Don Rickies, and playing in the Celebrity Room. Talks about being a native of Philadelphia, father Russian Jew and mother Irish Catholic and how they reconciled their religious differences..............1 - 5 Talks about being raised in a Jewish neighborhood. Shares about Rabbi Mel Hecht doing his father’s funeral in Las Vegas. Attended La Salle, a Catholic college, studied biology and chemistry. Studied medicine at Jefferson University in Philadelphia; interned at Nazareth hospital also in Philadelphia; how he became a medical doctor and decision to go into obstetrics and gynecology. Mentions how some colleges did not have Jewish medical students...........6-10 Discusses various Philadelphia hospitals where he had offices, Episcopal and Northeastern. More about growing up in Philadelphia, civil rights protests of the times, and decision to look for physician position in southwest part of the United States; Las Vegas junket trip and stay at the International Hotel and Casino. Story of getting several offers - and responding to a call from Boulder City during that trip to Las Vegas............................................11-15 Mentions Maury Zenoff, making a “big splash” in Henderson Home News; overcoming licensing challenges to practice that were common at the time for doctors and dentists of Jewish backgrounds. The move to Boulder City with his wife and four children in 1973; adjustments to lifestyle; wife unhappy with situation, shopping, house and no Jewish community in Boulder City. Discusses challenges to practicing OB/GYN, minimal facilities for emergencies; driving to and use of Women’s Hospital and UMC hospital in Las Vegas.................................15-19 Discusses raising of their four children [Abbi, Larry, Sherri, Lisa] in a Jewish tradition; comparison of Philadelphia to Las Vega area. Mentions David Wasserman, Donald Brown - both had challenges in being licensed to practice dentistry. Talks about being a shareholder in Crystal Palace, a Laughlin casino; how that came to be and what it was like. Shares stories of some unique requests of his professional services.................................................20-27 v f Southern Nevada Jewish Heritage Project ^ UNLV University Libraries Use Agreement Name of Narrator: ffiftlDR S/lU F/C Name of Interviewer: (Lb/__________ We, the above named, give to the Oral History Research Center of UNLV, the recorded interview(s) initiated on firkjr. dOtH along with typed transcripts as an unrestricted gift, to be used for such scholarly and educational purposes as shall be determined, and transfer to the University of Nevada Las Vegas, legal title and all literary property rights including copyright. This gift does not preclude the right of the interviewer, as a representative of UNLV, to use the recordings and related materials for scholarly pursuits. I understand that my interview will be made available to researchers and may be quoted from, published, distributed, placed on the Internet or broadcast in any medium that the Oral History Research Center and UNLV Libraries deem appropriate including future forms of electronic and digital media. There will be no compensation for any interviews. i 1hU~7 Signature of Narrator \ Signature of Interviewer Date Oral History Research Center at UNLV Libraries 4505 S. Maryland Parkway, Box 457010, Las Vegas, NV 89154-7010 702.895.2222 VI This is Barbara Tabach. Today is August 29th, 2017. I'm sitting with Dr. Frank [Paul] Silver in his offices located at 1990 E. Desert Inn Road. Have you always been in this location? No. I was in Boulder City to start with. We were talking that you moved here in 1973, but you had visited in 1964. Tell me the story about your visit. I was a senior resident in Philadelphia in OB/GYN. I was at the Episcopal Hospital then. The staff put together some dollars to send the chief resident to a medical meeting, which was being held in San Francisco. When I knew that I was being sponsored to go to San Francisco—and I also got them to allow them to take my wife with me—we decided we could stop off in Las Vegas for just the weekend just to see Las Vegas, so we did. Incidentally, it was so funny because we stopped at the Flamingo, which was a motel at the time, and in the next room was a guy named Joey Bishop. But it just goes to show you how in those early days how friendly and together this city was. It was just amazing. What did you do here during that trip? Did you go see Joey Bishop, for example? Well, he wasn't at the time. I think he was there before and he was still staying there or he was going to be there and he came there. Anyway, it was a very, very quick meeting, "Hello, Mr. Bishop." See, I'm from Philadelphia and he was in Philadelphia a lot. I was in the music business before I went to medical school; I played the drums and I used to work at all the high class society things. I played more Jewish bar mitzvahs and weddings and sweet sixteens than you can think of. So what happened is I would have an opportunity—I worked with a very well-known person; his name was Artie Singer. Artie Singer was the man that wrote "At the Hop" with Danny and 1 The Juniors, yes. I probably had a very good chance to do the recording with him because I was his regular drummer; however, I think I had a biochemistry exam I could not get out of when they did that. They made a short take in Philadelphia. They did it a couple of times. It was like a pretty junkie take of this song "At the Hop." Through some really neat connections, which he had—he was a very well-known vocal instructor; he was Eddie Fisher's vocal instructor—he was able to get a few guys to go see...Rem ember Bandstand from Philadelphia? Oh, sure. Dick Clark? Well, they got Dick Clark to play it and they played this nothing recording and the kids all gave it a ninety-five, so that was it. They sold so many they sold out of it. They had to redo it because the dub that they made wasn't really a good one. They sold it to ABC Paramount. Anyway, that was a little episode from Philadelphia. Then when I finished medical school and finished my residency, I was told—falsely I guess; it was misinformation—that I should give up my playing the drums because it just didn't go with. . . What would the guy say if you went into a sweet sixteen party and he saw the guy that just delivered his wife's baby up there playing the drums? He doesn't do too well as a doctor; he's got to have a sideline job playing the drums. So that was sort of. .. The times. People judged differently. Isn't that terrible? Yes. So anyway, I stopped doing that. All these people—Jonathan Winters—they would all be in Philadelphia and because we were playing in Center City a lot of times, we would go to some of the hangout places for the entertainers. If I told you...Let me see. Don Rickies, one Saturday night we were in a club. There was no one else in the club except us. We finished playing early 2 and we went over to see him. It was called the Celebrity Room, a little club. He was happy to have anybody come in. He was just starting. Nobody really knew him; that kind of stuff. So I went through a lot of that kind of business in Philadelphia and we saw a lot of people that came up—Frankie Avalon—that came up through the chain of getting known and becoming famous, movie stars and all that. Oh...And was there a lot of that because of Bandstand or Bandstand located there because of all this traffic? Bandstand was an actual television. There wasn't a kid that was fifteen or fourteen in this country that had a television set or friend had a television set that at three in the afternoon or four they were in front of that TV watching Bandstand. Well, you remember he was not the guy that started it. The guy who started it was another fellow that got into some controversy and he lost that. Horn, his name was Horn, Dick Horn or Bob Horn or something like that. Anyway, the second guy to come on it was Dick Clark. It was a big success when he got it, so it went on for years. I didn't realize that. So you grew up in Philadelphia. I was bom and raised in Philly. Tell me about your childhood and growing up in Philadelphia. Was there a particular area? Talk about maybe your parents, where they came from; that background. I came from mixed marriage; my mother was Irish Catholic, my father was a Russian Jew. So we lived in North Philadelphia, which was a poor section. My dad and mother, they got married and they got thrown out of the house. Can you imagine a Jew and a Catholic together? Oil and water. Anyway, they were married for fifty-two years. That's how bad it was, huh? Anyway, my dad was a high school graduate. My mother was a high school graduate. But 3 my father was just this smart—well, it's the old story. Who was smarter than Mark Twain who when he was eighteen he thought his parents were dumb, but when he was twenty years old he was amazed that in two years they can learn so much. I love it, yes. It's really true. When I was bom it was a bad time and for a short time they were on welfare; they were taken in by one of my mother's relatives. My father went out and got a job driving a truck, and from that he built his own little sales business, and from that he was able to buy a real nice home in the northeast section of Philadelphia. My mother never worked. She was a stay-at-home mother and she raised my sister and I and we always had Momma home. It was really good. How wonderful. Yes. So I really had a wonderful childhood. My dad lived to be eighty-nine and we were best of buddies. How did they reconcile the religious start of their relationship? Difficultly, very difficultly because it came from both sides. The Jewish side, my bubbe and zayda were less tolerant than the Catholic side. The Catholic side, they were less interested, actually, and they were delighted that my father had a beautiful Buick with white wall tires on it and they didn't have a car; that he was a successful guy and all that kind of business. We never had. We had a small family. My family, really, I only have my sister here and her one son and that's my family. My kids are my family. But other than that we didn't have a big family. I guess at the time that everybody was alive, the family was together. We would go to dinners and all that, the same as most normal people do. Your religious education, did it lean one way more than the other? They say if you're a gentile girl and you marry a Jewish guy, you become Jewish by injection. 4 You've heard that. I’ve heard that, yes. My mother, even though she followed the Catholic religion, she was like a little Jew. Consequently, I guess at an early age I saw conflict. What do I do? Do I make my mother happy or my father happy? What do you do in situations like that? So that's what carried me forward to be a very—I believe in God and I've always believed in God, but I've gotten sort of a jaded kind of opinion between all religions. When my mother died there was one Catholic church in Boulder City; she used to go to that church. The priest that was the priest at that church, oh, he loved her. She was such a ball of fire and such a likable person. So she died. Saint... Viator— Viator, St. Viator. So we had the eulogy there and we called Father Joseph to come down and say a few words over her and he was too busy. I had a local priest, a young guy, and he said the eulogy. I'm listening to a guy who never met her telling everybody what a wonderful person she was. When my father-in-law died strangely enough he had two kids, older son, older than me who was in Switzerland to become a doctor, and he decided to make me the executor of his will. Boy, did that set my mother-in-law off. I didn't want to get involved in the whole thing. He said, "I want you to do it." So for a dying man—he died of cancer—I said, "Whatever you say, Pop." Anyway, the reason for saying that is because of my exposure to some things that made me look a little bit that, as with many things in this world that we see, it seems like money is the guiding force no matter how we try to... Anyway, I was the executor, so I had to go get a coffin. I have always been very bitter about funerals and funeral directors, very bitter. One of the world's great hypocrites are funeral 5 directors. So I went to see...It was, I guess, Rosenfeld; they were the major people who put the Jews into the ground. They had this huge, huge, beautiful building that they could run a half a dozen at the same time or a dozen funerals at the same time. And this is in Philadelphia? This is in Philadelphia. I mean, they were huge. It was so commercialized, it was sort of ugly. But what happened is when I went there, they said—because I was a doctor then—"Oh, Dr. Silver, you're the executor of this guy." I said, "Yes." "Well, we want to show you the box." I said, "I don't really want to see the box." Because he had already told me what he wanted me to do. "No, no, no. No, no, you can't come here and not see that." So they put me in an elevator and I go down to the basement with him and there is an area that's like a convention center with coffins. This is no exaggeration. A hundred if there was one. So we go looking and this one is mahogany; this one is this; this one is five thousand; this is ten thousand. He said, "But I have something really beautiful. I think your mother-in-law would love this one." He takes me and he shows me a brushed copper coffin, thirty grand. So I said, "Are you joking? Are you telling me somebody would spend thirty thousand dollars to be put away in the dark?" I said, "They could take twenty-nine of it and give it to a good charity for people who need it and get clothes." Oh, that was insulting to say such a terrible thing. Long story short, I got him a pine box. He got a shroud; that's all he wanted. "Get me a pine box with shroud." Even that cost too much; it was fifteen hundred dollars, I think, at the time. So that set me off a little bit. See, I was raised in a Jewish neighborhood and all my boys were Jewish. We played basketball at the shul. So what happened is, when my father died—do you know Hecht, Rabbi Hecht? 6 Yes, Mel Hecht. We've known Mel for thirty years through his highs and lows, and, believe me, he's had some lows. In fact, he called Abbi a couple of times when he really got up to his neck and eyeballs in quicksand. But what fascinated me about Hecht is even though he was reformed, he had a rebbetzin that was a convert from being a Protestant, maybe even Catholic; I don't know. Here the rabbi's wife, she's not even Jewish, but she converted obviously. Anyway, long story short, I said to my wife when my dad died, I said, "I've got to call Mel." No, I didn't say that. I said, "I'm writing a check for two fifty for Mel because he came to do this thing." So my wife, being the Jewish princess that God rest her little soul she was, she said, "Oh, I think it's more than that." I said, "Just because you're the favorite daughter of Neiman Marcus that doesn't say you know all the..." So I went and I called and his wife answered. I said, "Hello, Rebbetzin, this is Dr. Silver. I wanted to thank the rabbi for the beautiful speech that he gave for my father. I was writing a check and I wanted to know...I didn't want to argue with anybody, but the check was for two hundred and fifty dollars; is that okay?" And she said, "No, it's for three hundred and fifty dollars." Now, guess what? You don't charge for those things because that's supposed to be something you make a donation to. Now, I know that we've all got to make a living and all that. I would never short them on that. We give them contributions whenever they need it. But to make it a monetary event...It's like buying a ticket to the football. How much? This much. So all those things sort of made me a little on the...Well, all I used to say was—I went to a Catholic college. I went to La Salle. I got a great education. Those Christian brothers, they were wonderful, absolutely wonderful, and I was very happy because it was through—you see it 7 says "cum laude" on there, but I was on the dean's list throughout all of college, and it was the kind of thing that these brothers take a personal, personal interest in, and they were helpful in getting me into medical school. When you come from a small college and you're high in the class and these guys go to bat for you, it's like when they go to a little dinner or something and these guys walk around with their little collars on and they get the dean, "Now, I want you to meet one of our better students, Frank Silver," and you get to meet the dean. When your application goes in, it's like, "Oh, Silver, I think I know that guy." Bop, bop, bop. So that was one of the wonderful, wonderful things and it was a great education also at La Salle. What did you study in undergraduate work? I was a biology and chemistry major. Then you went to medical—well— I went to Jefferson University. Where is that located—Jefferson? Philly. In I think 2007 it was voted number-one medical school in the country. That's where many, many things came out of. They did the first open heart surgery there. The heart and lung machine was developed there. A great place. So anyway, that was my education there. Did you always know you wanted to be a doctor? Yes. I tried to put the little things that light up in lightning bugs back into them after someone had taken them out, like a lightning bug light transplant. It didn't work. I must have been about six or seven years old or three years old; I don't know. But my mother always said that she thought I wanted to be a doctor. That's the high life of your life, not so much being a doctor, but seeing your parents look at that glow on their face when you get your diploma and you walk out and now they call you Doctor. It's a highlight thing in your life. It really is. 8 That's really important, yes. So anyway, I interned at a Catholic hospital and the reason I really interned at a Catholic hospital—it was a very good hospital— Which hospital was that? Nazareth in Philadelphia. The reason I went there, it was when birth control pills were just starting to be used and they were not favored by the Catholic Church. Consequently, they had more babies for the size of that hospital and I wanted to go into OB/GYN. they had four thousand babies a year delivered there, bigger than some of the huge hospitals. So I had a wonderful time getting all the experience that was very, very helpful when I became a resident at Episcopal. Episcopal was like a teaching hospital that was affiliated with the other medical schools, so we had students rotate through there. It was a very good educational experience for me. How did you decide that you wanted to go into OB/GYN? Interesting question, why? Why? In your final years of medical school you rotate on difference kinds of services, different specialties and all that. Neurosurgery was what I really might have gone into it. But when I rotated on the neurosurgical wards, what would happen is I would go to see some of the new admissions and they would be traumatic brain injuries. Traumatic brain injuries usually don't die; they just live; they just lay there; they just vegetate. Well, when you see a six-year-old or a five-year-old or younger or even an adult and a beautiful woman who was married and has children and was in a car accident and she's brain-dead...Well, I looked at that and I said, "Who can come in every day and see that?" Because they live for months and years sometimes. So I didn't like that. It was very morbid to me. The other fields, like general surgery—general surgery was just all surgery. I liked 9 surgery, but I liked the breath of fresh air. But really the biggest thing if you really stop and think about it, what area of medicine has a situation where a woman who is not sick goes to the hospital, has something, then comes home with something that nobody saw before and everybody is just ecstatic? Think of that. So to me it had some surgery, because all I do is GYN now, and it had that part of happiness in medicine, too, where everybody is not sick and everybody is not dying. And it had an office practice, and I must say from an ego point you didn't need another doctor group to come in and tell you they're going to send you patients if you kiss their asses. Your biggest refer-er that all OB/GYNs have are their patients. I deliver your baby; you like me; I get your next-door neighbor, your closest girlfriend. It's a thing that you see in medicine and it's wonderful. So what happened is I finished my residency and I went into practice. I was very fortunate. I started off and all the nurses that I had seen going through the residency, they were referring their aunts and uncles to me. I came out of the box with a practice. It was just amazing, amazing. Hard to do anymore because the government and insurance companies have ruined medicine, but in those days you went to a doctor who you knew. If you liked him, you could go; you didn't have to worry about panels and all this crap. So anyway, I came out and one of my friends who was a family doctor—he didn't get into medical school and he should have, but he was a Jew and there was a limitation on it and he didn't get in—what happened is he went into osteopathy, which is very good, too, and he became an osteopathic family doctor. He was a terrific doctor, a terrific personality, so he had a huge practice in an area of Philadelphia that's very, very strong middle class, Polish, German and Italian and Irish. But these were people that had little houses and their little white steps were glistening clean, paint was beautiful, windows were always in and clean; that kind of thing. They 10 were just delightful patients that I had. They would always come in and say, "Thank you, Doctor." They look at it as you're really a real person and they've come to you for information or to help them. So there was a row house and he said, "Why don't you come over to our neighborhood?" Because my office was in the hospital of Episcopal. So I said, "I don't need another..." He said, "Come over. I have patients galore. It's right across from the Northeastern Hospital." So I went over there and I had a booming practice and then I became the director of the department at—I was the youngest director they ever had at Northeastern Hospital. I had these fellows who were practicing for years; they were my father's age, some of them, and they were very unhappy that I got selected to be the director. So I had a great practice and I was the director of the department and things were a wonder bar. I had two other guys that I had with me. We had a huge practice. I just got to not like the city and Philadelphia and what was going on. Oh, really? Because you were born, raised there, went to college there, everything. Yes, yes, but it was turning into like we see today, things happening. They weren't knocking statues down, but things were just not getting better. I lived in a very good area in Montgomery County, which is right outside of Philadelphia, and it had a wonderful school system and all that, but they had teachers that they got them into trouble because they were discriminatory; all this kind of crap. The school taxes were huge. The one year that I said, "I'm checking out of here," they could not open the high school until the end of October because of demonstrations in front of the school, people with signs and all that crap. You're referring to civil rights protests that were occurring in Philadelphia at that time. Yes, all that kind of business. I call it urban problems. See, I never was exposed to that. I grew up in North Philadelphia. My closest friends were black. Yes, I never dated a black girl, okay, 11 because I came from white parents who wouldn't do that and they thought I wouldn't do that, too, so I wouldn't do it. But I never had a situation where I didn't go to their house and have dinner with them, I wouldn't socialize with them constantly, and I wouldn't take their part if somebody was trying to do something that was wrong. So what happened is—that was not the reason. The reason that I really got up to here with it is that normal things that we're not doing anything wrong were being screwed up; in other words, here's a good high school open to anybody; if you live in the neighborhood, go to the school; if you live out of the neighborhood, you can still go to the school. Yet, there was a problem and they closed that school for a period of time and my kids couldn't go to school because they were both—the older one was in high school at the time. So I said, "You know what? The weather is shitty. I'm going to think about moving. How's that?" I put a little ad, put it in a freebie thing. It was a little throw-away kind of thing. It said, "Young, board certified OB/GYN, married, looking to relocate to the Southwest." So you advertised yourself. Yes, I did. Where did you place this ad? In this little throw-away brochure that was put out by Rolaids that doctors would get. It was like getting one of these kind of things that would come. Just like a tabloid type of newsletter kind of thing. Yes, it would advertise Rolaids and in there would be classified things and doctors could put in classified things as to where they were opening a new office; that kind of thing. What happened is I came out to the old International when Kerkorian owned it. They had a deal where you could come out here for three days and two nights and they'd pay for the air 12 and they'd pay for the hotel, and it was a hundred and ninety-nine dollars; I remember that. So two of my friends were dentists and the other was a hearing aid salesman. So we said, "A hundred and ninety-nine dollars, how bad can it be?" I wanted to see Vegas again, so I came out here. What happened is while I'm there, it's in February and they have a freezing thing in Philadelphia, all ice. The nurse is in my office, so I call her the morning. This is such a picturesque thing. I'm talking to her on the phone. I'm on the twenty-sixth floor of the Hilton [International] and I'm looking at the Las Vegas Country Club and the greens are emerald. This is in February, emerald green. I mean, it's just gorgeous. I'm talking like this. I said, "Ruth, how's everything?" And she said, "Well, I'm glad you called." I said, "What's the matter?" She said, "Well, I couldn't get out of the office last night." I said, "What do you mean?" She said, "When I finished up I went out to my car. The lock was frozen; I couldn't open the door to my car. I had to sleep in the office." So I said, "Well, how is it today?" She said, "You can't walk on the streets, it's so icy." So I said, "Hmm." And here I am. So I said, "Well, I just called." She said, "Well, it's funny. I was just going to call you. I had a call from a doctor from Boulder and he saw your little ad." Because I had several guys; I had an offer from Dallas, an offer from Phoenix, and I had a big one from San Diego. But anyway, so I said, "Boulder, I'm not interested in Boulder. There's as much snow there as you got there." So she said, "No, no, he said it's only a half-hour drive from where you're at in Vegas." So I said, "Really? Oh, Boulder City." I hardly knew about it. So I rented a car and I drove up to Boulder City. I said, "Hey, this is a neat little place. I mean, it's like clean. If s just what I like, where the air is just beautiful and no more old buildings looking at them and trolley tracks with cobblestones that tear up your car; that kind of stuff." 13 So anyway, this guy had been up there for several years. He was an MD trained from Colorado and he was a family doctor. He had taken a supermarket and had reconverted it into a beautiful set of offices. It was about five thousand [square] feet, but it was beautiful. So he showed me around and he said, "This is perfect for you." The little hospital at the time had thirty-eight beds. It's been since sold. It belongs to the church now. They use it for a semi-, little convent for nuns. That was the old hospital. What had happened is the year before when I had gone out to Vegas, too—we went out several times. We would go out in like October and maybe in May or April before it got real hot here, so we had been out a couple of times. The one time I went out, out of the clear blue sky I said, "Maybe I ought to get a license if I'm looking to move." So they came here. I took the plane to Reno because I had to take an exam. So I went up there and I took this exam. I got offered a job while I was up there. The guy who was the chairman of the medical board offered me a free office in his building. "Just come to Carson City." I said to him—his name was Dr. Grundy—I said, "Oh, Doctor, thank you very much. I feel very humble that you would even extend such a wonderful invitation. But does it snow in Carson City?" And he said, "We have wonderful snow and skiing and all that." I said,