Transcript of interview with William Hanson by Randy Martin, March 5, 1979

UNLV University Libraries William Hanson i An Interview with William Hanson An Oral History Conducted by Randy Martin Ralph Roske Oral History Project on Early Las Vegas Special Collections and Archives Oral History Research Center University Libraries University of Nevada, Las Vegas UNLV University Libraries William Hanson ii © Ralph Roske Oral History Project on Early Las Vegas University of Nevada, Las Vegas, 2018 UNLV University Libraries William Hanson iii The Oral History Research Center (OHRC) was formally established by the Board of Regents of the University of Nevada System in September 2003 as an entity of the UNLV University Libraries’ Special Collections Division. The OHRC conducts oral interviews with individuals who are selected for their ability to provide first-hand observations on a variety of historical topics in Las Vegas and Southern Nevada. The OHRC is also home to legacy oral history interviews conducted prior to its establishment including many conducted by UNLV History Professor Ralph Roske and his students. This legacy interview transcript received minimal editing, such as the elimination of fragments, false starts, and repetitions in order to enhance the reader's understanding of the material. All measures have been taken to preserve the style and language of the narrator. The interviewee/narrator was not involved in the editing process. UNLV University Libraries William Hanson iv Abstract On March 5, 1979, Randy Martin interviewed William George Hanson (born 1937 in Huntington Park, California) in his home at 4506 West Del Oro Drive, Las Vegas, Nevada. The interview begins with Hanson providing a brief overview of the different addresses that he has lived at as well as his personal background and interests. Hanson describes his experience playing on a racially integrated youth baseball team and his perception of the western side of Las Vegas; Hanson later recalls a rumor he had overheard about Howard Hughes. The two then discuss recreation in Las Vegas; specifically, jazz entertainers that would perform at lounges on the Strip, and swimming in hotel pools. The interview concludes with Mr. Hanson describing a pizzeria that he used to frequent in the 1950s. UNLV University Libraries William Hanson 1 Informant is William Hanson, the date is March 5th, ’79. The place: West 4506 West Del Oro. The collector, Randy Martin, 2108 Alcoa Avenue. The project is “Local History Project: Oral Interview.” (Audio cuts off and begins mid-conversation)—then come here. (Laughs) I think I only went to Huntington Park because there were no hospitals in Las Vegas. Okay, were you educated in Southern Nevada? Yes. Okay, what schools did you go to? I went to Fifth Street Grammar School, I went to Mayfair School, and then finally they built Huntridge School when I was in the second half of kindergarten. I went to (unintelligible) and then Las Vegas High School and the University of Nevada, Las Vegas which was known then as Nevada Southern University. Okay, what kind of occupations have you had? After I was—out of the Army, I went to work in a Title Insurance business and I’ve been working with them ever since. Okay, at what address—addresses have you lived in, in Las Vegas? 125 South Fourth Street, 1013 Norman Avenue, or 1031 Norman Avenue, a few apartments, 4316 San Bernardino, and 4506 West Del Oro Drive. Why did you move from many of these—? Were there any particular reasons? Some were too small, and some were not houses. Okay I see. Were you married in Las Vegas or in Southern Nevada? Southern Nevada. Okay, when and where? UNLV University Libraries William Hanson 2 December the twentieth, 1959. Okay, is or was church activity an important part of your life? When I was growing up. I see; which church? The Methodist Church. Okay. Do you remember the visits of any of the presidents or other important people to the Las Vegas area? Not really. Some examples would be like, President Roosevelt, or Hoover came here—or such events as the 1942 crash of Carole Lombard’s plane? I was only five in 1942. Oh yes. How about, do you remember any important person’s divorces or marriages like, Clark Gable’s marriage, or any other famous stars? Can you remember, any people who stuck out? Mm. Not really. Were you active in politics? For a short time in the late 1960s in a few county races. Alright, which party affiliated with? Democrat. Democrat? Okay, let’s see. And Republican (Laughs). Really, both? Okay (Laughs). How—How—Where were you involved in? UNLV University Libraries William Hanson 3 Well, actually the first time was when Ed (unintelligible), I worked for at the time, was running for the Assembly. And then later on ran for Lieutenant Governor and we were involved, in a way, involved with those, and then subsequent to that, when I left his employment, some of my friends, Richard Bryan, Roy Woofter, Harry Reed, I helped with theirs. I see, okay. Were, or are you a member of a social club or other special interests groups? Not really. Okay, is or was gambling an important recreational activity for you? No, I wasn’t much of a gambler. My folks always told me to stay away from it. What other kinds of recreation did you seek? Sports mainly. Were you into like, a lot of T.V. or radio? They didn’t have T.V. until I was probably, fifteen, so— So you listened to the radio a lot? I listened to the radio, go to the movies. I see. What kind of movies did you go see? Whatever there was; there were only four theatres in Las Vegas. What were those? The Vegas Theatre, The Huntridge Theatre, the (unintelligible) Theatre, and the Fremont Theatre. I see, and do you remember anything about the early above-ground atomic tests? Oh, just that they would all tell us to watch them, to see what you could see from your house. What changes have you noticed in Southern Nevada since you first arrived? Say economic—? UNLV University Libraries William Hanson 4 Economically, oh. It used to cost fourteen cents to go to the movies, and I’m not sure what it costs today to get in to the movies. Four dollars (Laughs). Four dollars? Yes. The popcorn was ten cents, the candy bars were a nickel, the jaw breakers and root beer barrels were a penny. (Laughs) Okay, how about environmental changes? Has there been a ‘lotta well, ‘course there’s been a ‘lotta growing, but has there been ‘lots of changes really, to the environment or—? Definitely, the whole thing’s been one big change. It’s the –The environment was much like a small-town in the beginning, you know, five to ten thousand people, it’s now grown into a metropolis so to speak. We’re confronted with road conditions and sewage problems and, just you know, a few too many people for the way the town has kept up. Okay, how many members did you have in your family growing up? Myself, my brother, my sister, my folks, many cousins. Were you like, a real close family? And kept (unintelligible) and everything, you know like--? It wasn’t as close day-to-day, but on the holidays, and on other events like that, like Helldorado, we’d all go downtown to my grandmother’s house and we’d go from there. Is that one of the recreational things you did, was go to that Helldorado? Helldorado was once a year, it was nice. When did that start? UNLV University Libraries William Hanson 5 I remember the first one when I was about four. Really? So that’s been going on quite a long time, hasn’t it? Okay, have you received any awards or honors as, throughout school, or for any other reasons? Yes, I was in the All-Star baseball team. When I was in the army I got a few awards, not really much to brag about. Okay, have you had a history of illnesses in the family? Any sort of illnesses that ever come about in the family? No, actually, the only people who have ever passed on have been my grandparents. Everybody’s been pretty healthy. Yes. No cancer or anything, from any of the testing or anything? Nope. Hmm. Okay, let’s see. Do you have any special skills or special interests? I wouldn’t say special—I like, I like everything. I see. What were your key points in life? What, where were you really--? Well, when I had to walk to grammar school, (unintelligible) Grammar School from Huntridge, I would get scared every morning. When my mother told me I had to go to college, and I was afraid to leave Las Vegas, that was another point. When I went into the army, it was definitely different. How old were you when you went into the army? I was eighteen. It was, it was alright. I had a few awards, like I said, in the army. I see. What kind of awards did you get? UNLV University Libraries William Hanson 6 Mm. They had a few things that you would do that were chores, but – they’d have a little test before, and the ones that were the best wouldn’t have to do the chore. So I realized that it was a lot easier to be the best and not do the chores so I would do that. What were some of the goals that you had when you were a kid? Be healthy, wealthy, and wise. Okay. Did you have any motivational aspirations or goals? I wanted to be a base—baseball player, but it never did quite work out that way. I see, well, let’s see. Did you have any run-ins with blacks or anything like that in the city? Was there any black problems? Well originally, there was Westside in Las Vegas, and the two didn’t meet often, except when we were kids growing up, we’d play baseball and we always had a colored team, a Westside team, although they usually had a few white players on the team. And there were no problems, really. The umpires were a little skittish and afraid of the colored boys, but we weren’t. And we’d have to every now and then and then in the younger years we’d have to, we’d have to—When we lost a few mitts or catcher’s mask after a game, stop ‘em on the way home and search through their bags and get our belongings back. Did you have any fights, or anything like that? At high school, there were a few race riots, which didn’t turn out to be a whole bunch. Okay, was, do you remember the dam in any particular—I mean, was that a big thing ever? The biggest thing it was to me, was we went out there with some friends of my folks from Southern California, and I was about eight years old. This one elderly gentleman held me over the dam by the heels and my shoes started to slip off, and I’ll never forget the dam because of that. UNLV University Libraries William Hanson 7 I guess! Okay. What hotels were beginning to get big? What were the first big hotels? Probably the Flamingo, the El Rancho— Whatever happened to that one? It burned. Was—Was that? The Last Frontier, which had a—let’s see, what’d they call it?— Last Frontier Village, which was a nice place out there. They had an arcade with different games and a few old, what do you wanna’ call ‘em, I don’t know what you wanna’ call ‘em. So, this, the burning of the El Rancho hotel, was that really a big thing? Was that really publicized in? I think they probably burned it in order to get rid of the place. Ah, I see. Which they’ve done to a few others. Okay, was the weather like, really bad in the summers of old times? Or are they worse now? Was the weather a big factor? The weather was different; the temperature was much dryer. The heat was still there, but it was a much dryer heat and there were, you know, very few swimming pools, very few trees, compared to what there are today. So the humidity wasn’t near as high and it wasn’t unbearable. No one had air conditioners in their houses or cars. Did you have any air conditioning problems? I mean throughout the – You didn’t have air conditioning in cars until 1953. The houses didn’t have air conditioners until probably, about the same period of time, I think ’53 maybe, maybe a few years later. So what was it like, living in a house with no air conditioning? UNLV University Libraries William Hanson 8 Well, it was a lot cooler when there wasn’t all the humidity. It worked fine. So you grew up on swamp coolers, huh? No, I just used to drink the water from the swamp coolers. (Laughs). They had — They had a pipe—(Laughs)—drain down and it was awfully cold water. Okay, was the Strip called the “Strip” when you were really young? It was a Strip, yes, it was the Strip I believe. And so, how—What were the big roads really, around—? Charleston Boulevard, Fremont Street, Fifth Street, which is now Las Vegas Boulevard, and that’s about it. Okay, were there like, tourists going up and down these hotels back then? You didn’t notice as many walking down the street, there were, you know, not near as many people walking. Everything was a little bit farther apart, so you had to almost drive from one to the other. I see. Okay, were there any laws that were passed that you liked or disliked throughout the years? Any special laws in Las Vegas that affected anybody? Yes, if you—Traffic. Traffic was mainly what the laws were about. And we had some one-way streets, at times that were a real nuisance, and all I could—The biggest debates you ever heard laws was when the Right to Work bill came in and I was too young to really understand what that was about. What year was that? Oh I don’t know. It had to be 1947, ’46, maybe— So you were just a kid, so you didn’t know? UNLV University Libraries William Hanson 9 Didn’t really know what was going on. Okay, were there any particular buildings that, that stood out in early Las Vegas? The hotels were the only things that were immense at all. The—There were a few houses, but they were really old. And there really wasn’t a hell of a lot here. I see. Okay, were there any elections that were really big? Can you think of – That stood out as a turning point of the way Las Vegas grew? Well, when Glen Jones kept getting elected sheriff and the only—only, house of prostitution I believe that it must have made some people happy. There was another election at one time where Myron Levitt and Ted Marshall ran for the district attorney’s office and they were both LDS and it was quite talked about, who was going to win that one. But other than that, most things, either I didn’t care about, or they came down the way they, you know, should have. Okay, can you remember any like, deaths that were important? That might’ve affected cities, the way the city was being run? Oh, Oscar Bryan died when he was district attorney at one time. I can’t think of anybody else that, you know? By that time, its—time of growing up, so there was always someone else ready to step in and take over. I see. Okay, let me think here. Could you tell me any stories of pleasure that you had when you were a kid? Like things that you went out and did for fun? Sure, the – Before I was in high school, or right when I was in high school they had a nice little building down town, a recreation center called “The Wild Cat Lair.” And after every basketball game, high school—or football game, high school, there was only one high school at that time, there would be a dance at the, it’s a nice building downtown, next to where the post-office is today on Stewart. They would have entertainment from the Strip hotels, the Mills Brothers, UNLV University Libraries William Hanson 10 mainly the Mills Brothers, and it was a real nice place. And then ‘course, when the town grew, they had to close that because it was too much fun for the kids. So then they made the, what they now I guess call, its next to the (unintelligible) on Bonanza, which didn’t have the atmosphere of the Wild Cat Lair and they renamed it the Duelist Center after a dead policeman, which sort of took all the shying off of, awful things, and really made the town, the kids in the town, not be such a group of people liking one thing in particular. It spread people out a little bit more. Okay, like, do you remember any mob affiliation through the city? Was there any big, important gangsters in the mob, mob people? No, all the people I knew that were supposedly that—I read the Greenfeld Jungle the other week, most of the people that were mentioned in that book, that were named mobsters, as far as I’m concerned, were just everyday people. I see. Okay, were there – who were the rich people in the town? I mean—Like, Howard Hughes came about and he was really the richest right? Well, Howard Hughes wasn’t really around here, they were – A couple of people lived in Rancho Circle, J. Kell Houssels, the Hams, the Binions, Jones, the Coslocks, the Cohens, (unintelligible), these people were I suppose, the ones with, (unintelligible) of riches that I ran into. I see, okay. Did you go to the mountains and into lakes—you know, to Lake Mead and to the river and things like that when you were a kid? Sure. Fish and stuff like that? Sure. Tell me some stories about, you know, some trips that you had. UNLV University Libraries William Hanson 11 I went fishing a few times down at the river with my grandfather and father. It was nice, except they didn’t let me do what I wanted to because all I wanted to do was get out there and jump in the water instead of fish, and sitting on a boat in a lake was a real bore to me. (Laughs). And the mountains were always nice, although in those days, there was only Mt. Charleston. (Unintelligible) Canyon was usually snowed in, if there was a (unintelligible) Canyon. And the most fun I guess was taking the toboggan down the ski jump at Mt. Charleston, which was illegal. Alright. Let’s see, was there any – anything – like, did you see Henderson and Boulder City and small towns like that come about through the years? Did you watch that grow? Yes, my uncle lived in Henderson and the—my father worked in the (unintelligible) magnesium plant during the war. So we would ride through there, it was rather small, and there really wasn’t much there. Boulder City has been the same, it was a nice little place out there—always green, and you know, it was on your way to the old lake. Was it about the same size as it is now? I don’t—I really don’t—I really shouldn’t answer that because I’m not quite certain that I’m sure it was a lot smaller. I see. But we went out there to play baseball. We’d go out to Henderson to play baseball on the rocks— Doesn’t sound too bad (Laughs). Smell the plaque. UNLV University Libraries William Hanson 12 Okay—Did you—Did you have any relatives or anything ever work out in the Blue Diamond Mines or any of the mines around here? Yes, I had—it’s not (unintelligible) especially, but my father’s best friend, his—his father worked at Blue Diamond for years and years and years. And then Gibson Mines – I guess you call it – we call it Sheet Rock today. And we’d take tours, while we were in school we would take a tour out there every now and then. Field trips, right, oh, with the school— (Unintelligible) Yes, okay. Let’s see—Okay, describe for me some of the old pictures that you—the old photographs that used to be, maybe your parents or grandparents or anything—Were they really nice pictures, or how would they usually come out? Or well actually, they were black and white, they were glossy. I mean, they were nice pictures, they came as well as anything else does today, in fact, most people today aspire to have the old pictures of what the town looked like in those days. Okay, and—It’s really industrialized in the last couple of years, then really from what it was back then, right? I mean— All it was then, was the railroad, swimming pools, and the casinos or hotels. Did you ever—? (Unintelligible) Did you ever ride the railroads or anything like that? No. Like, were the trains for passengers or—? UNLV University Libraries William Hanson 13 There were passenger trains, we’d go down there. I’d go down there with my folks every now and then to greet someone or to ride it and—I remember this one time I was sixteen I went to San Francisco with my grandmother on it. Did—I see; how about—McCarran International Airport, was it like—did it —? It wasn’t named McCarran I don’t believe, I don’t even know what the name of it was, but it’s hard to recall actually what it was. It was about one tenth as large as it is now, if that, and there wasn’t a lot of airplane traffic, as I can recall in Las Vegas. Like most of it was, you know, in (unintelligible) in on the old L.A highway from Los Angeles— There really weren’t— Down by Fort Mormon. Any tourists right, or something? Well there were tourists, but not in the sense they are today. Okay. Was Hughes there west? (Unintelligible) I see. So what—what years did this come—with the Hughes airplanes come around? I don’t even, you know. Howard Hughes moved into Southern Nevada in what, 1965? And he bought a few hotels, bought some vacant land, never stole from anybody, nobody ever saw him. He owned some property that he purchased, I know, in 1956, or 1957 that they now call “Husite,” which is a gigantic piece of property to the southwest of Las Vegas, mainly west. The hub of Las Vegas, the center of Las Vegas is the supposedly Charleston Boulevard and Decatur Boulevard. And Howard Hughes— (The Collector drops the tape and yells; audio begins mid-conversation) UNLV University Libraries William Hanson 14 Howard Hughes and—now let’s see, I’ll have to take that one back. He really wasn’t very well known here until he bought up the hotels. Except for the people who did work in the hotels and saw him daily with his troop. What—What year do you think he —? He used to come here all the time— Just— He was here from, you know, the beginning of time I suppose, sitting in the hotels. But in those days, you know, nobody told me, “Hey, Howard Hughes,” and I wouldn’t have cared anyway. All I cared is if they let me into the swimming pools in the hotels in the morning – excuse me – which they would, and— So you’d go swimming every morning in the hotels? Sure. On the weekend—? Best pools in town, besides maybe Twin Lakes. The city pool was alright, but the hotels were better. Sahara was awfully cold. What year was, Howard Hughes—What—What year do you think he—It was that he started buying the hotels, that he really came on big as starting to —? That’d be 1960—’68? Somewhere around—as in recent? Okay. That’s more recent. Okay. I think before that was ’65 maybe, I’m not sure. UNLV University Libraries William Hanson 15 Okay—You—You—Do you know anything, or do you remember anything about the Old Ranch, Stewart Ranch? I don’t know what they call Stewart Ranch; there was an Old Ranch down on what they now call Las Vegas Boulevard North, across from – oh, it’s right by Lions Park, McKids, and what’s that other park down there? – Lorenzi? Lorenzi’s Twin Lakes. Not Lorenzi Park, Lorenzi Park is on a different part of town. There was an old ranch down there, there was a swimming pool down there that the, I remember, I can’t remember the people’s name, but it was one of the three I think, public swimming pools in Las Vegas. I believe that’s the Old Ranch—there’s (unintelligible) running through it. (Interview pauses, audio picks up background mumbled talking, collector tries to fix the tape, audio begins again mid-conversation)—that’s when we had to change our clothes before we went swimming. And I always wondered why these boys had their noses to the wall (Laughs). That would be a recreational activity, I guess (Laughs). I was too young for it. Oh, okay. Alright— (Tape one ends) Okay—Do you have any stories about Howard Hughes that might be different from other stories that you’ve heard about him? Oh, Howard—I’m not sure if this is the truth or not, but I understood that at one time when he was living at the Desert Inn hotel, he — the lights from the Silver Slipper were bothering him and he tried to buy the hotel and they, I guess, refused his offer. And for some reason or another, UNLV University Libraries William Hanson 16 within a couple of weeks, the Silver Slipper had burnt down—is that enough Randy? Turn it off, pause. (Audio cuts off and returns) Okay, what do you think about real-estate values? In Clark County? Yes. Alright. I have a story, a man that built an airport out by Henderson, and all of his (unintelligible) confiscated, his name was Harvey Albert—he said that people don’t understand, but that if you pay for a carpet, you paid for nine dollars for a yard of carpet, that’s a dollar a square foot. And that carpet, and in six years, well you may like it still, but it was only nine dollars a yard, yet, if you bought a piece of real estate in Clark County for that much money, it wouldn’t even wear out. Alright, Mr. Hanson, outside the Mills Brothers, did they have any good music, you know? From what I hear they—okay. Well they—Every now and then Joe Houston would come over in a bus from California with his musicians and they’d just stop their bus over on the west side and jump out and have themselves a real good time over there. And ‘course, they didn’t invite any of us, even though we would’ve been more than interested, but then they’d put on a, I don’t know what you call it, a show? And it was good music. I’d usually get rushed out before the heavy stuff started, but that was the way Las Vegas was in those days, and Big Jay McNeely, Joe Houston, Fats Domino, he used to come here at the end. Some were in the lounges at a later period of time—They had a jazz concert in Las Vegas once, they were ‘gonna call it the “Annual Jazz Festival,” and they tried with the Convention Center. They had all the big names in jazz at the time, but the crowds, you know, for UNLV University Libraries William Hanson 17 a twenty-four hour a day gig, or whatever they want to call it, and they were playing for probably sixteen hours a day for the first day, maybe for twenty-four hours, the crowds were so sparse, by the second and third nights, they were, I don’t know, they were boogieing rather than listening to the jazz. Not really the music—the music was tremendous, except for a few, that didn’t understand that jazz was not old-time jazz, but it was rhythm and blues and rock ‘n roll. Just, it was a good song, played that way, improvised, yet the instruments were there. Okay. They had to discontinue it, after I believe, I think they had it two years? I think other than that, the best entertainment was to go out and sit in a lounge at a hotel, which in those days, had no maître d’s which had good music— What kind of music would they play there? Oh, they’d play more lounge music. It was like— Were there famous stars and stuff, such out singing and stuff like the way it is now? No, no famous stars, it was more like—oh gosh, it’s so hard to remember all these people who were up there— Wayne Newton, oh he was a famous star, I forgot about Wayne. Yes, that was at the Fremont hotel—that was a couple years later anyway. The other ones were, yes, I don’t know, it was, there were a lot of ‘em. They were always good. Murray the K, (unintelligible)—you’d go on and sit down and have yourself a little cocktail, and show them a little bit of an identification so they know you are more than twelve— Did you ever have problems when you were sixteen with liquor and stuff like that? I mean ‘cause, like all sixteen year olds, like to drink every once in a while and things like that— No, we’d dress up as gentleman and go out on Friday nights and go to the bars, and we all had phony identification. Oh, it was a few years ago, there weren’t that many people a lot, we didn’t UNLV University Libraries William Hanson 18 create too many problems, every now—nobody created many problems for us either. It was still a good town, there was still—there weren’t college basketball games, the Strip hotels were making plenty of dollars, yet the town was quite so, pleasant in size. Since it’s gotten pleasant in size, the main problems are one, the only one, the traffic. (Laughs). (Laughs)—The traffic is completely horrendous, whoever laid the town out forgot that people had to drive the streets and forgot they were ‘gonna have cars. Other than that, you could put everyone in a shining armor knight suit, or have self-driven automobiles which will get you nowhere slow. Now you talk about traffic and stuff. Was there—Was there a ‘lotta drag racing, and then in hot cars, runnin’ around back in the early, when you were young? Oh when I was young? You’re talking about 1954 or ’55, actually, the drag race strips were—If you were going west on Sahara, and went almost to Rancho Road, then a little bit past and turned left, or south, you’d go a ways, and run into the drag strip. There was also a drag strip off of the Boulder Highway. Probably at about Nellis Boulevard, which you know, you go out there and everybody—Actually, it was one of the (unintelligible) kind. There was a couple of good rails, there were some, a couple of, I guess they call them today “funny cars.” There weren’t that, quite that funny cars, but they sure would—I mean, they used – what’s that word, gasoline?— and they build you. They just, you know, went down the strip and in seven to eight seconds, six seconds, five seconds I guess, but then they found (unintelligible) and these drag strips had to—they rather disappeared. There were times when you can drive from Las Vegas Boulevard South to Main Street on Fremont in two minutes. There were times you could drive from Fremont to Gas, or to Charleston on Las Vegas Boulevard South in two minutes. Yet, the most dangerous UNLV University Libraries William Hanson 19 road of all, was the road to Mt. Charleston. Mt. Charleston is a dangerous road, and more people would end up with cars off the road, smashed into boulders and into things like that, you know. Some got killed, most didn’t, but it was very dangerous, and that road is complete ice and treachery coming down from it. And I was up there myself a few weeks ago, or a month, two, and it was—it’s rather icy at there, at the top. Okay, did you guys—you know like, go out, and eat let’s say, in about 1960—’55, when you were, you know, you were pretty young? Like, did you go out and eat, like pizzas and—and things like, you know, the other things, say— Pizzas? Yes. Oh, let me tell you, they didn’t even have a pizza in Las Vegas until probably 1954 or 1955. There was a little hotel on the Strip called Defino’s, that today I believe, why, it’s been called the Black Forest since then, I’m not sure exactly where it is today, that made pizza. And we would go in this dining room with nice large tables, with nice white table cloths, and have a pizza, which was big, cheese-bread round, that tasted delicious for a dollar ninety five. We’d give ‘em a dollar tip, have a couple of Coca-Cola’s, and leave. This concludes our interview, and thank you very much Mr. Hanson.