Edith Leavitt interview, February 7, 1977: transcript

UNLV University Libraries Edith Leavitt 1 An Interview with Edith Leavitt An Oral History Conducted by Enrico Messina Ralph Roske Oral History Project on Early Las Vegas Special Collections and Archives Oral History Research Center University Libraries University of Nevada, Las Vegas UNLV University Libraries Edith Leavitt 2 © Ralph Roske Oral History Project on Early Las Vegas University of Nevada, Las Vegas, 2019 UNLV University Libraries Edith Leavitt 3 The Oral History Research Center (OHRC) was formally established by the Board of Regents of the University of Nevada System in September 2003 as an entity of the UNLV University Libraries’ Special Collections Division. The OHRC conducts oral interviews with individuals who are selected for their ability to provide first-hand observations on a variety of historical topics in Las Vegas and Southern Nevada. The OHRC is also home to legacy oral history interviews conducted prior to its establishment including many conducted by UNLV History Professor Ralph Roske and his students. This legacy interview transcript received minimal editing, such as the elimination of fragments, false starts, and repetitions in order to enhance the reader's understanding of the material. All measures have been taken to preserve the style and language of the narrator. The interviewee/narrator was not involved in the editing process. UNLV University Libraries Edith Leavitt 4 Abstract On February 7, 1977, collector Enrico Messina interviewed Edith Leavitt (born April 12th, 1924, in St. George, Utah) at her home in Las Vegas, Nevada. In this interview, Mrs. Leavitt talks about teaching in Southern Nevada, including in the Virgin Valley and in Las Vegas. She also discusses the changing education system in Southern Nevada during her time as an educator. UNLV University Libraries Edith Leavitt 5 This is an interview taking place on the evening of Monday, February 7th, 1977, at 8 p.m. The place is 4501 Hayes, Las Vegas, Nevada. This is Edith Leavitt’s home. The collector is Enrico Messina of 1231 Darmak, Las Vegas, Nevada. The project is a collection of data for Nevada History under Dr. Roske. The informant is Edith Leavitt. Okay, it's taping. Mrs. Levitt, were you born in Nevada? No. I was born in St. George, Utah. When did you come to Nevada? In August, 1945. Why did you and your family come here? Well, I came before I was married. I was married in October, 1945. I came to teach at Las Vegas High School. Did you live—or, did you come to Las Vegas right away? Or did you live somewhere else before you came to Vegas? No. I was born in St. George and lived there, except for the time when I went to school. I went to school in northern Utah. And then when I graduated, I graduated from BYU in 1945. And I came to Las Vegas to teach. The reason I came to Nevada is they offered me 1,800 dollars a year, which was twice what I was offered to teach in Utah. So I came down here to teach. Did you live anywhere else in Nevada besides Las Vegas? Yes, we lived in Bunkerville, Nevada where we had a (unintelligible) ship me out to Las Vegas. How was—how was Bunkerville and Las Vegas when you first came? Have there been a lot of different changes since you’ve been here? Oh, yes. Yes. Las Vegas, I would think, had I'm not really positive, but Las Vegas population was somewhere between four and five thousand. To give you an example, I remember that in UNLV University Libraries Edith Leavitt 6 downtown Las Vegas, that when they moved Sears down to Sixth Street, we were very upset, because that seemed such a long way out of town to have to walk that far. And everyone, you know, they thought that was really way out, Sixth Street. And they had to, on the corner of Sixth and Fremont was their store, and Ronzone’s at that time was on the south side of the street of Fremont. I can remember when I came here how the cotton—there used to be so many cottonwood trees all over in Las Vegas. And you know, there are a lot of them out by the water district. And where the old original Las Vegas (unintelligible) were, and the springs you know. And when you go in the stores and in the spring, this cotton from the cottonwood trees, you know, the seed would just be like snow all over the sidewalks and then drift into the stores and everything. Snow? Yes. You know, the cotton. You ever seen a cottonwood tree and those little, round, green things burst and all that stuff. It would be just thick all over. And, of course, the only air conditioning we had then was the swamp coolers. And then, what gambling places there were in Las Vegas. There wasn't any Strip. I can remember distinctly that the only places out on the Las Vegas Strip were the El Rancho Vegas, which burned down. That was—that was west of the present Sahara Hotel building. And then further out was the Last Frontier. And then there was a bar on the other side of the street called the Red Rooster. And that was the Strip. And that quite a long distance from town in those days. When you first came out here, you lived in Bunkerville. How big was Bunkerville at that time? Was there a lot of people there? Or was it a very small, very close community? It was very small. There were around two hundred people I guess, more or less. They are—there was a—there were two little stores and a gas station, which later they lost to Mesquite. But it was UNLV University Libraries Edith Leavitt 7 very small. Most of the people there were dairy farmers, and they produced milk and shipped it to Las Vegas. Anderson Dairy and the Highland were the two dairies then. Most of the milk was you know, produced locally in Overton—well, in the Moapa and the Virgin Valleys. The Mesquite and (unintelligible) or the Virgin Valleys, Logandale, and Overton, and upper Moapa. It was the Moapa Valley area, and they both—both places had a lot of dairy farms, and also they had crop things. You know, like radishes and onions, ’cause it was so warm. And they produced those, and tomato plants. And they produced those and they were shipped all over the United States. You—you mentioned earlier that you were married in 1945 in October. Were you married in Las Vegas or Bunkerville? Yes. Married in Las Vegas. In Las Vegas? Mm-hmm. Is or was church activity an important part of your life? Yes. Which church? The Mormon Church. I was born and reared in the Mormon Church. LDS. I see. Were you a member of any social clubs or other special interest groups? Yes. I was a member of the American Association of University (unintelligible), the business and professional women’s clubs. That, and along with teaching. I didn't teach all the time because of the fact that we have children, and when we moved up to Bunkerville, when my husband got out of the service. And I taught at Virgin Valley High School, which at that time was located in Bunkerville. And then in 1968 when Hyde Park junior high school was built — UNLV University Libraries Edith Leavitt 8 You mean like 1958, don’t you? Yes, 1958. Yes. Excuse me. They built a new high school, and Verde Valley High School was moved from Bunkerville to Mesquite. And so was the elementary school. And so then I taught there. The last year that I taught in Virgin Valley was the year of 1958, ’59. And then we moved permanently back to Las Vegas in June of 1959. And I taught at Hyde Park, which was one year old at that time. Did—is gambling an important recreational activity of your family? What other types of recreation would you seek? Either alone or with your family, if not gambling? Well, we don't gamble. I wouldn't gamble. I don't think even if I were in a different religion. ’Course Mormons are not supposed to gamble. But gambling has never appealed to me. However, I know that the tourist industry is the most important industry that we have here in Southern Nevada. And so in a way, we're all connected to gambling one way or another. And you know, the casinos, the hotels and the things that Las Vegas—the tourist industry is really our industry here in Nevada, in Southern Nevada, especially, because of our climate, and the—the lake being in here, you know, and then the accessibility of the national parks in Southern Utah and Northern Arizona. Things like this, I think, have made Las Vegas an important place. It was a—Las Vegas was a natural stop between Los Angeles and Salt Lake, not only for the railroad, but as well to improve you know, for travelers. But that's all it would have been without gambling. I don't think it would have been anywhere near as high as it is today. I've seen it grow, seen the changes. I remember that when I was first teaching here, I taught English. And so I was responsible for the school newspaper and the school yearbook. (Unintelligible) I was the faculty advisor for those. And we—I went with students from the department, we were given time off from school, and we went to the stores and the—the hotels. (Unintelligible) all along Fremont UNLV University Libraries Edith Leavitt 9 Street. Mostly there. And the advertising for the casino was what enabled us to print the yearbook. They bought ads in it and—and we sold enough ads to pay for having our yearbook. We had to send it away to publish it. (Unintelligible) without the revenue. How many years did you teach at Hyde Park? From the fall of 1959 until the conclusion of the year 1965 and 1966. Do you remember when—I think it was in ’62, ’63, they started integrating the high schools, junior high schools. What was that like? The high schools were always integrated because there was no high school on the Westside. The Las Vegas High School was the—is the oldest high school in Las Vegas. I can remember the Las Vegas High School and the Fifth Street School, as we called it. The one that’s on Las Vegas Boulevard South now. It’s being preserved as a historical building. But that used to be the—the offices of the school district for Las Vegas. And I think I should make clear here one thing. When I first came to Nevada to teach, Clark County was divided up into educational districts. And Las Vegas was educational district number five, and the Virgin Valley and Moapa Valley district was educational district number one. Bunkerville is the oldest settlement in Clark County. It was settled in 1877. So it's 100 years old. It was this in January, in January. So, and it was also the mother ward of the Mormon Church. By that I mean, it was—because it was the first settlement and it was settled by Mormons. At the time that I married, there was all one stake, and it was called the Moapa Stake. And it included the valleys which included Mesquite and Bunkerville, Logandale and Overton. And then it included Las Vegas, Henderson, and Boulder City. All of the area was under one stake. Now we have numerous stakes and wards in the church. As it's grown, as they have other religions, other groups and everything else here in Southern Nevada. UNLV University Libraries Edith Leavitt 10 I have—okay, you mentioned that the schools were split up into— Educational districts. Educational districts. Do you remember when they all became one under one superintendent? Yes. Uh-huh. When was that? In 1958. In 1958, they consolidated the districts and had a superintendent, one superintendent. Prior to that time it had a superintendent and all of these five districts and—and it was combined now under—under one secretary. And the first superintendent was Mr. Brimley. What years did you teach at Las Vegas High School? I just taught at Las Vegas High School one year. One year? Mm-hmm. Okay. Then I transferred to Virgin Valley High School. And then you went to Hyde Park? Then I came here and we moved back to Las Vegas. I asked to be at Hyde Park. I was offered the chairmanship of English department at Las Vegas High School, but we bought our home out here—here near Hyde Park Junior High. And that's where I had thought that I was going to be teaching, so we bought the house there. So I persuaded Mr. Brimley to transfer me from Las Vegas High School to Hyde Park Junior High. Did they have integration in the high school—junior high schools when you first started? Yes. UNLV University Libraries Edith Leavitt 11 It was all integrated? Okay. The blacks, we used to call ’em Negros, I don’t know if this will offend anybody, had not permitted a high school to be built on Westside because it was integrated by virtue in all living patterns. You know, really in the early days of Las Vegas, if you go back in history, you'll find out that the old settlement of Las Vegas is on what we call West Las Vegas. And—and where the black people as a general rule, when they came to Nevada settled, and some of the best land— when I say the best land, the most fertile land, the land that had the least amount of caliche and so forth, was on the Westside. And some of the early day historical figures had homes in that part of the city. And then it just gradually became more and more that as black people moved into Las Vegas. And they moved here because it was easier to earn a living here than in some places. They settled more or less on the Westside. I can remember when my husband's sister and her husband—that was J.D. and Betty Davis—they had a nursery, and it was on the Westside. It was on West Bonanza and the 400 block, right after you go under the underpass and up about four blocks. And there were white people then still living on Bonanza. And there are now too, further out, that provide people—I mean for blacks to be in all areas of the city. Now that didn't happen until—until after the schools were integrated. I remember teaching with a black man, and he told me that when he graduated from Las Vegas High School, that his class went out to one of the hotels on the Strip as far as it was developed, and he was not permitted to go in to dine. And I can remember when black people were not permitted on the Strip, and they weren't permitted in certain movie theaters, or if they were permitted, then they had to sit in a certain part. It was always—it always bothered me, because I—I didn't think it was fair. I always regarded persons more or less as individuals. I didn't really see that much difference in their color. UNLV University Libraries Edith Leavitt 12 I interpret it—you see that the way that blacks are being treated when you first came here, was an unjust way? Yes. Rather you saw that there had to be some sort of integration within the whole city when you first came here, right? Yes. Yes. I see. Integration was not carried out in the elementary schools. When I taught at Hyde Park, that—the black students were bused into the junior high schools and the junior high schools began with the seventh grade. And so I can remember however, when they have—the elementary schools went up to the eighth grade, and the first junior high school in Las Vegas was converted from an elementary school. And that’s John C. Fremont. That was an elementary school, and it was converted into a junior high school. And that set up the system of sending students from seventh through ninth grade into the junior high prior to that time and managing the high school, ’cause the high school and elementary. And I take it that you—when they finally did integrate the high school or elementary schools, I mean, ’73 I would take it by your statement that you were happy to hear about it? Yes. Okay, now with the idea of having students, when you first start Hyde Park, and I don’t know if you were teaching seventh or not, but when they first came in there, could you tell a difference in the way that the black kids and white kids got together as they started mixing, integrating? The first time they ever possibly had contact with black people, can UNLV University Libraries Edith Leavitt 13 you tell us what was happening? Like, were there any crashes or any bad feelings by the whites or the blacks and going together when they were different races? I didn't feel that they were accepted. (Unintelligible) weren’t accepted as much as whites. In fact, I don't feel that white people are as much accepted by whites now as they will be, or the blacks—the whites are accepted by the blacks either. We still have a long way to go on integration. But we're learning a lot more about each other. Prejudices hang on for a long, long time. People are reared a certain way—the way people are reared in the south. My husband was in the South or sometime for two years prior to our marriage, and I've never lived in the South, but he told me that, you know, it was common for black people to step off into the gutter and let the white people go by and the black people were sent to the back of the bus and the back of the street car. Well, I'll tell you something that happened to me when I was going to college. It just really, really astounded me and made me feel so terrible. I went to Brigham Young University and it's not just because it was a Mormon, an LDS college. But this happened, this was common. I mean, you could go in restaurants in Salt Lake where most of my family had gone to college, or you go to restaurants in Provo, which was much smaller than Salt Lake, and they didn't serve as many blacks or have as many blacks. But anyway, I can remember that I used to have signs “we reserve the right” and this used to be in Vegas too, “refuse service to anyone”, which meant mostly black people. But anyway, I was in my senior year at BYU and we had a program, you know, every year, where they would bring in talented groups, ballet dancers and opera singers and famous lecturers and so forth like this. And we bought tickets to these things and went to them. Well, in the spring of my senior year there, they had a man come to lecture. I can't remember his name now, but he was a Rhodes Scholar. And you know what that means. He was brilliant. And to have achieved the brilliance. I mean, not—he was—the brilliance wasn't an UNLV University Libraries Edith Leavitt 14 inherent thing. I'm not saying it but to achieve the scholastic place that he had shown, but he had to be extra brilliant because it was harder for him to—to get this far than it would have been for a white. And anyway, he was a Rhodes Scholar and he was an author and lecturer. If I went back in my notes, I could think of the name, I can’t right now. Anyway, a group of us went with him after he lectured, and he was sponsored by the English department, and that was my major. And so I was invited to go. And so we went downtown, in Provo to one of the nicest restaurants that they had. I mean, we were all going to have dinner together. And he was refused service. They wouldn't allow him in the restaurant. And I was astounded. You know, they had their sign and reserved the right to refuse service to anyone. And this showed how people, whites, some of us had this feeling, you know, because he had black skin, they could say “no, you can’t come in”. And so I never—I never and I still don't feel a sense of guilt, because I haven't done. But in—as a personal guilt, but I feel and I felt then when I first came to Las Vegas, you know that we had a long way to go on—I think we're going in that direction to try and see every—every person for what it is, not just by his color. Do you think that along with the blacks, that maybe white people are also beginning to accept the Mexican Americans, German Americans, Italian Americans, you think that and all that, maybe, and I know we probably have a long ways to go, but they're beginning to close in together and communicate better? Do you feel that way? I think so, yes. We are all such a heterogeneous mixture. I’m white, but when you look back on the history of the world, read the history, and you know that—where civilization started. And you know that the Moors went across Northern Africa and into Spain and parts of Europe, they were black. We don't know how much of this this is mixed in throughout the history of the UNLV University Libraries Edith Leavitt 15 world. But anyway, to take my own background, I know that I have some German, Dutch English, I don't know all what kinds of nationality. I see what you mean. We're all a mixture. We have to accept that this fact and learn to live with it. Live with each other and see each other as we truly are inside. Say, well, that person is black. I don't want him to live by me. Or maybe the black says that person's white, I don't want them to live by me. But rather— We're gonna have to get rid of our prejudice. We have, like I say, you look back at the old nursery rhymes and we're going to be traced back. (Unintelligible) has been with us for thousands of years, and thousands upon thousands. And then you understand how families carry on these feelings toward other groups. Sometimes it's out of fear. Sometimes it's out of a sense of superiority. Mostly it is—a lot of it’s our sense of ignorance, but they, they either fear one another or they or they feel that they're better than this group or that group. And then we have to remember the Americas are made up of all kinds of people and say, Okay, we're Americans regardless of what nationality we came from. That's what's made America strong. Anyway, it's all of us mixture of people. I see. (Tape one ends) Misses Leavitt, when you first started teaching in Nevada, at least from what I’ve read and understood, and if there was some sort of law on the books has said that in order to become a Nevada teacher, you only had to finish high school and take two years, a two year special course in order to teach school in Nevada. Do you remember anything about that? UNLV University Libraries Edith Leavitt 16 No. When I came to Nevada to teach, you had to be a college graduate. You had to have a bachelor's degree and you also had to pass tests on United States Constitution and on the Nevada Constitution. If you'd have classes and if you'd had classes about American government and American history, the state would accept in lieu of a test on the United States Constitution. Then you could, you know, not have that test. But you had to pass the test on Nevada State Constitution. And I had a double major, English and History. But I took both tests anyway. And we had to study hard for them. Now they have, and they have a lot of the—they have a lot of it condensed in a question and answer pattern so that teachers can study to pass this test. In those days, you had to just read it and dig it out. And if you didn't, you’d lose—? And if you didn't pass it first time, you could take it the second time. If you didn't pass the second time, they wouldn't certify you. I see. Do you remember when they first started the above ground nuclear testing out at the Atomic Test Site? Yes. I remember it very distinctly. Did the—when did they first start and were you in favor? Against it? Well, I wasn't against it. I remember that—that we felt that President Truman had done the right thing in dropping the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And then, when the Russians also became—then we call the atomic, later it became nuclear nation, we felt that we had to test. I remember one of the big shocks in the night, live. And this shows you how people can be ignorant, whether they're graduated from college or not. But I can remember when the Russians launched the Sputnik. And, you know, that really threw America into a tizzy. And from then on, we had science fairs, and teachers were given special scholarships to instruct them in science, UNLV University Libraries Edith Leavitt 17 and science was really made an important subject in the schools. And this was an upsetting thing for the United States for Russia to have been the first one to have launched a satellite and or something in orbit. And I think the United States had to think differently about Russia. The way I've been educated about Russia, I knew that Russia had some very talented musicians and novelists, but I was educated to believe that the mass of the Russian people of ignorant peasants. That they didn’t know what they were doing, right? And that they did not know what they were doing. And of course you know, I wasn't aware of what they were able to do after their revolution. My history (unintelligible) a little bit. I hadn’t been taught really and truly about the Russians. ’Course there—the Iron Curtain, I guess, has been there all the time. It’s hard to get information too. And so I knew the old Russia’s history, a lot better than I knew the Russia after the revolution. When they first testing, start testing out here and had all those above ground tests, were you given any special instructions from the school district at what to do if you had a fallout because of one of the bombs accidentally blowing up and saying a lot of radiation—what were you told to do in that case? Nothing at first. Why? They had no plan for a mishap, in case the radiation (unintelligible)? I can remember one year that one of the—after one of the nuclear explosions, we were living in Bunkerville and over the tip of the mesa, we could see the— Cloud? Yes. Well, we could see the light and they do them early in the morning. And my husband had—we had a dairy. And my husband had to get up early, and our window in our in our bedroom UNLV University Libraries Edith Leavitt 18 faced west, and the mesa (unintelligible) and then—and we could very clearly see this huge flash. And then we'd watch the mushroom cloud ’cause it came up above it. And I had to—my family by then, I had four children. And my last child was born in 1955. And I didn't sense the fear of it. I didn't have the fear of it that I have now that I know more about it. But anyway, one of the explosions, you know how carefully they watch for the wind and everything, and they will postpone them nowadays, even an underground one if the wind doesn't arrive, that—’course we can't we're not supposed to have any above ground testing, but France and China still test above ground and there are a lot of other nations would like to get hold of the weapon and do it too. But anyway, one time, the cloud—the wind blew and it scattered it over on the Moapa and Virgin Valleys. And we had all kinds of reporters and people come in there and talk to us. And I remember the reports that I read in the papers and I took Time magazine and that was even in that you know. And then they have the interviewers talking to the people in Bunkerville and they made them sound like that, well, I guess to these reporters that came in from the east and so forth. It seemed like a little hick town and he made them sound that way, you know. What town? Hick? Hick town. You know what I mean. That Nolan in their quotations, both correct English, you know and they— Oh, I see. They were all—all interviews of people. I wasn’t interviewed, but I saw the reporters in town. But they made them all sound ignorant and unlearned, and but anyway, for a long time after that they monitored the radioactive activity of the students’ thyroid gland, and some of them had radioactivity, radioactive something however it was. They had received too much radiation. There were some people who felt—I know of the death of one girl from Overton. UNLV University Libraries Edith Leavitt 19 From the blast? No, but she died. And I know there was another girl, the family had moved to Las Vegas, and she was stricken with the same illness and they thought that it was related to the tests. And these families thought this. And, but I don't think it's ever really been established. I don't know whether the government— Paid off? Paid (unintelligible) or paid off right now. So a lot of people have sued the government thinking these things, but I don't know the results really, the actual scientific. But it was followed through logically enough. But those families felt that their children had—one had died and the other one has been very, very ill and still is, although she's, she's living. When did they first start making plans for radiation fallout in Clark County? Do you remember? Well as a teacher, and teaching—being taught what we were to do with the children, and the civil defense agencies and everything, I can't remember doing anything about it when I taught in Virgin Valley. But when we came to Las Vegas and (unintelligible) we were taught what to do. Schools weren’t built with basements here because of the caliche. And so there wasn’t a fallout shelter that you could get to in a hurry. I know there was one down—there is one, or was one down by the courthouse. But anyway, we were taught that if, you know, what to do with the children to keep them—to have them get under their desks in a crouched position if anything should happen like this. And for instance, if Boulder Dam were bombed or something like this, you know, there was some talk of that. I can actually remember being afraid and worried about it because I had children in all levels of school and my husband working one place, and I was in another, and you know, they were in different schools, and I wondered what we'd ever do, how UNLV University Libraries Edith Leavitt 20 we all get together when we should have them. But underground testing, I can't exactly remember the year. Can you? (Laughs) No. Anyway, (unintelligible) that was Russia. That was about I think, but 1969, 1970. I think early 70s. But anyway, then they had the one out there where, you know, the (unintelligible) it was underground, but through some fault in the earth or something, part of the radiation leaked. I know there's still some lawsuits pending over that one. But, I can't remember exactly the year where they went underground. Have you noticed any—or can you describe to me how this—how Las Vegas has changed, in as far as school goes economically? I thought you were never going to ask me that one. (Laughs) Where we live now, this was sort of a dump. I don't mean it was a dump in the sense that it was poor housing. It was a dump period. There wasn’t any housing. The road stopped at Southern Nevada Memorial Hospital, which was built by the four companies when they were building the dam. And the hospital land was on the corner of Charleston and Shadow—what is now Shadow Lane. There was just a white building there. I see. And when you got there, that was the end of the road. And so if you wanted to venture on out West Charleston to ranches and things out here, well, you just had to venture out without much of a road. You know, it was gravel up to that corner of Shadow and Charleston. And then the other way, on Charleston, they had started the Huntridge housing. You know where that is? Is that by—on Maryland Parkway? UNLV University Libraries Edith Leavitt 21 Well, Maryland Parkway I don't think was named Mountain Parkway at that time. (Unintelligible) The Huntridge Theater was built. And the first houses that were available in the Huntridge subdivision were about (unintelligible) I can't remember how, how far east they land and how many streets. But I can remember the corner of what we used to call Fifth Street and Charleston and they were still striving, you work there and that present restaurant—what’s the name of it now? Oh, you mean Steak Corral? It used to be Steak Corral, I don’t know the name now that it’s been changed. I know what you’re talking about. Anyway, the Sal family owned what they called Sal’s Drive In, and they had a big round circle thing that went around and around and— It’s still there too. But anyway, from there on down Charleston going east, it seemed to me that it was a long ways from any housing until it came to the Huntridge Theater. And there was a lot of land in between there, you know, where nothing was built. It was funny to have a theater clear out there and so far away from houses. The Huntridge tract eventually expanded. Still is kind of empty out there. How about the schools? Have they changed any that you can think of since you start teaching out here? You mean since I first came here thirty, almost thirty-two years ago? Mm-hmm. Well, they’ve changed considerably as Las Vegas High School was built, then Rancho was next. But, Western High School was built in 1965. Wait a minute, not 1965— 1955? UNLV University Libraries Edith Leavitt 22 No, Western High School wasn’t built in 1965. Wait a minute. (Unintelligible) let’s see, when we moved here in 1959, Kathleen was in the seventh grade. And in 1960, she was in the eighth (unintelligible) and— 1960? Yes, 1959, ’60. She was in the—well, she started out in the seventh grade here. Now in ’59 and in ’60, she was in the seventh (unintelligible