Transcript of interview with Freddie Glusman by Barbara Tabach, October 29, 2015

i AN INTERVIEW WITH FREDDIE GLUSMAN An Oral History Conducted by Barbara Tabach Southern Nevada Jewish Heritage Project Oral History Research Center at UNLV University Libraries University of Nevada Las Vegas ii ?Southern Nevada Jewish Heritage Project University of Nevada Las Vegas, 2014 Produced by: The Oral History Research Center at UNLV ? University Libraries Director: Claytee D. White Project Manager: Barbara Tabach Transcriber: Kristin Hicks Interviewers: Barbara Tabach, Claytee D. White Editors and Project Assistants: Maggie Lopes, Maggie Bukowski, Shannon Nutt iii The recorded interview and transcript have been made possible through the generosity of a Library Services and Technology Act (LSTA) Grant. The Oral History Research Center enables students and staff to work together with community members to generate this selection of first-person narratives. The participants in this project thank University of Nevada Las Vegas for the support given that allowed an idea the opportunity to flourish. The transcript received minimal editing that includes the elimination of fragments, false starts, and repetitions in order to enhance the reader?s understanding of the material. All measures have been taken to preserve the style and language of the narrator. In several cases photographic sources accompany the individual interviews with permission of the narrator. The following interview is part of a series of interviews conducted under the auspices of the Southern Nevada Jewish Heritage Project. Claytee D. White Director, Oral History Research Center University Libraries University of Nevada Las Vegas iv PREFACE Fredrick (Freddie) Jack Glusman is the owner of Piero?s Italian Cuisine in Las Vegas, Nevada. He was born in 1937 in Vancouver, Canada, and moved to Los Angeles, California with his mother following his father?s death in Vancouver. Glusman eventually ended up in Las Vegas in 1957 following time spent in the Army. Once in Las Vegas he lived with relatives and baby sat for them while living at the Moulin Rouge. Glusman was involved in many businesses in Las Vegas such as selling carpets and drapery, opening men and women?s dress shops, buying land and building houses, working for Fabulous Magazine and eventually opening Piero?s in 1982. Glusman became a member of the Temple Beth Sholom early in his move to Las Vegas and continues to be a member. He is active in raising money for children?s charities such as March of the Living, the Boys and Girls Club, and feeding children during Thanksgiving. In this interview Glusman discusses his early memories of being raised in Vancouver, Canada and how he ended up in Las Vegas. He reflects on how he first got his start in the town and his early dealings with casinos and their owners while he was working as a carpet and drapery salesman and while working for Fabulous Magazine. Glusman explains how he started his restaurant and tells about the people he encountered while doing this that where significant to both the Jewish community and Las Vegas as a whole. He recounts stories that include such people as Meyer Lansky, Al Sachs, and Moe Dalitz. v TABLE OF CONTENTS Interview with Freddie Glusman October 29, 2015 in Las Vegas, Nevada Conducted by Barbara Tabach Preface??????????????????????????????????..iv Talks about Russian and Canadian roots; moved to Los Angeles at six, eventually moved to Las Vegas in 1957; what sort of business he was in; relatives he lived with; joining the Beth Sholom Temple; early work as a drape/carpet salesmen; his involvement with the entertainment and magazine industry in Las Vegas...???????????????????????..1 ? 7 Discusses taking over the Sporting House; Opens restaurant in 1982 and hires chef Piero; fires Piero but retains the name; remembers how he was in the housing business; discusses wives; relates relationship with Alex Shoofey; talks about his other wives and marriage to Diahann Carroll; talks about famous friends such as Jerry Tarkanian?????????????.....?? 8 ? 17 Reminisces on the restaurant industry in Las Vegas; history of Piero?s; talks about his reputation; remembers a involving Bob Arum; speaks about restaurant patrons being worried about FBI bugs; speaks about filming of the movie Casino and his involvement?...................................?..18 ? 23 Talks about raising children in Las Vegas; discusses famous people who came to Piero?s; shares his relationship with Jerry Tarkanian and others such as Ron Lurie; discusses aspects of dealing with celebrities; discusses is involvement with the Sporting House; where he first lived in Las Vegas...??????????????????????????????.?.?.23 ? 26 Stories relating to the casino business; fights and how they make the business; discusses his charity involvement involving children; Meyer Lansky?s involvement with bringing Jews to Las Vegas; Jews and Italians working together in the early years; Howard Hughes and scams; Why he never became involved in illegal dealings; whether or not being Jewish was a factor of his success; myths and gangsters???????????????????????.???????..24?36 What will happen in the future, favorite meals; John F. Kennedy and how his wife tried to date him; Discussing being present when the decision was made to buy a racetrack and build the International; the Schivos and the Shoofeys; memories of Las Vegas in early years; birthday party for Lisa Marie Presley?????????????..??????????????36?42 Index???????????????????????????????????..43 Appendix??????????????????????????????????44 vi 1 This is Barbara Tabach. Today is October 29th, 2015. I'm sitting with Freddie Glusman and his daughter, Marla Letizia, in his office at Piero's. Freddie, I'd like to start with what you know about your family ancestry. Where did the people in that beautiful portrait come from? They all come from Russia and Canada. My grandparents were from Russia. My mother [Eva] and father [Benny] were from Canada, Winnipeg. So they immigrated to Canada. Do you know about when? No, I don't know. Were they born there? They were born in Canada; my parents were born in Canada. Both sides of the family, grandparents from Russia? Yes. How did you get from Canada to the United States? What's the story behind that? I went from Winnipeg to Vancouver, British Columbia, when I was about five years old, six years old. My father drowned in the Fraser River in Vancouver. I was nine years old. He was thirty-two years old. He was trying to save a kid. He was a great athlete, but he didn't know how to swim. Then we came to L.A. when I was thirteen and my mother sold real estate. She was a single mother. She was pregnant when my father drown. I had a brother and a sister. Then I came to Vegas in 1957. How did you end up living in Vegas? How did I end up living in Vegas? We were on the way to Florida to sell linens. I was out of the service, out of the Army. We came to Vegas. I had relatives here, Sam and Irene Dvorak, who were in business here. I think we lost our money gambling or something. 2 Who were you with? I was with Jack (Kopel) and a few other people. Anyway, I moved here and stayed here. What did Vegas look like, do you remember? There wasn't much to Vegas. There were only like sixty-five thousand people. What year did you come? I said '57. Why don't you pay attention? Well, because when we got here in '55, there were twenty-five thousand people. Well, I don't know. Maybe they got more. Maybe I'm wrong. I've not ever been wrong before. Once I made a mistake. But you've never been wrong before. I'm sure you'll tell us that story, too, right? No. No? Okay. What else? Oh, I lived at the Moulin Rouge with Herbie Frey and Suzie Frey, which is Suzie Molasky now, and I baby-sat for Michael, their son. I stayed at the Moulin Rouge and they paid for my room, three dollars a night or something. Did you know them before you arrived here? No, I knew them through my mother. My mother knew Suzie. How? How did your mom know Suzie? I don't know how she knew Suzie. Don't ask so many questions. I don't know. We're trying to figure that out. I don't know. Ask Suzie. Did she know her through Irene? 3 Yes. Does that really matter? It kind of helps connect things. I think that's one of the interesting parts of this project is who knew who and how this community grew. So Marla's going to ask good questions, too. What? Nothing. I just asked. Go ahead. So your relatives that lived here, what kind of business were they in? They had barbeques. They had Market Town. They had the deli and the barbeque in front of Market Town and they had a Roasted Chicken on Sahara Avenue, Sam Dvorak and Harry Dvorak, D-V-O-R-A-K. And they belonged to Temple Beth Sholom and then I joined Temple Beth Sholom in that time when they used to have the gin rummy tournament, when they built it. The picture of them building the first temple. So was belonging to a temple part of your life growing up? No. I just thought it was the correct thing to do. I find it interesting that people join temples. They may not have been very involved in their Jewish life where they came from, but when they got here? Well, they want to meet the community. So you go to temple because you meet the community. Who were the people you met there? I met everyone. There were not too many people here then. So I knew everyone. Marla Letizia[daughter] enters room. Meanwhile, he didn't have a dime. Think about that for a minute. He didn't have any money, but he joined the synagogue. You didn't need any money to join a synagogue. Oh, you didn't? No. 4 Oh, you could just join for free? Well, I don't know. Maybe I borrowed it. I was three car payments behind on my Corvette and my mother wouldn't give me any money to pay my car payment. That's to tell you how broke I was. What color was your Corvette? Red. Oh, classic. A 1956 Corvette. So you hit town. You're behind on car payments. You meet some relatives. Did you go to work for them or what was your first job? Yes, I worked for them. I used to spit chickens on San Francisco Avenue, which is Sahara Avenue. It was one lane up and down Sahara and we were right on the corner of Sahara and the Strip in that Boot Jones' shopping center, that big gift center right there. Where Bonanza Gift is. Right. So I used to spit the chickens. Then I went to work at the El Rancho Vegas men's shop, ladies' shop, and I managed that for?I forget her name, but her husband wrote the Green Felt Jungle, Ed Reid. So how old were you? I didn't ask what year you were born. I was born?it's none of your business. It just helps put historical context here. That's a big controversy. But anyway, go ahead. Nineteen thirty-seven. So in '57, you were about twenty years old then. 5 Something like that. So you really weren't legal, but were you having a good time here? I always had a good time my whole life. So what was the mischief you got into? All kinds of mischief. Well, you could just go down to the DMV and tell them what your birth date was and that's how you got your driver's license. So if he was only twenty, chances are his driver's license said he was twenty-three or twenty-four, right? You could just go down and say, "Hi, my name's Freddie Glusman; I was born in '33." Actually, then I went to work at the El Rancho because I used to trim windows in L.A. I used to sell linens downtown after I got out of service, fold linens, high-priced selling. Fold it tall, make it look this big; it's only a washcloth. So I knew how to do windows. So I did the windows at the El Rancho and she hired me to do the men's shop. Then the El Rancho burnt down and they wanted to sue me for the charge accounts I opened up for all my buddies that didn't pay. They lost. At the dress shop? The men's shop at the El Rancho. They wanted to hold you accountable for the charges. Yes, but they didn't get that on. Then I went to work for Jack Cortez, Fabulous Magazine, selling ads to all the entertainers that came into town. Do you know about Fabulous Magazine? No. I was going to say I've never heard. My mother was on the cover of Fabulous Magazine. 6 So that was like one of those publications to tell people about the shows? And thanking them, all the stars. So tell me some of the stories about the people that you sold to. All the stars. Like who? Like Sammy, like Sarah Vaughan, like Lionel Hampton, like Pearl Bailey, like everyone. Now, did you deal with their representative? I dealt with them. They didn't have representatives then. How did you get to them? Did you knock on the stage door? I got to them. I got to them. Sold a lot of Fabulous Magazines and got Sarah Vaughan a driver's license. She couldn't drive. So I had someone hooked up at the Department of Motor Vehicles and I got her a driver's license. What else did I do? I just want to tell you, you can go into UNLV Library and look up Fabulous Magazine and you will find ten years' worth of volumes. It was a monthly magazine. I bet I've seen it in the back. So if you take that?well, it was a five by seven pamphlet like. You don't remember that? You weren't even born. Well, my mom was on the front cover. So, of course, I remember it. She was the only person that was ever in a suit as opposed to all the showgirls. Okay. What else? So after selling these magazine ads?I guess tell me how you eventually got into the restaurant business. I haven't gotten there yet because I've had a few other businesses. 7 Okay. All right. Where did you go after Fabulous Magazine? I don't know where I went. Carpets and draperies. Oh, yes, I had carpets and draperies. I did most of the major hotels in town, sold them carpeting and draperies because my uncle was in the drapery business. I used to cut draperies for him. And so he'd send draperies down here to hang up even for Molasky when he was building Paradise Homes. I was hanging the draperies for the first time when I met Irwin. Then I started selling carpet to Fay Peterson, Round-Up Real Estate. So I did all their work and I did everyone's work, carpeting and draperies. Then I opened the dress shop at the Tropicana. A dress shop? Yes. You really had a gamut of? Nineteen sixty-six I opened up (Fredd?) Dress Shop. No, I opened up Tropicana dress shop. It wasn't Fredd?s then. Nineteen sixty-nine I opened up the International, which became the Las Vegas Hilton, now that other place across the street. I had the Flamingo dress shop, the Stardust dress shop, the boutique at the Hilton, Z Shop, my daughter ran, Heather. That's the only time she worked in her life. Did you say Flamingo yet? I said the Flamingo. Tropicana, Flamingo, Stardust and the Hilton. Then I went in with Allen Glick and took over the Sporting House. He built the Sporting House on Industrial, which is now Sapphires, and he was asked to leave town and I took over the club. I made it a social club. We sold it a couple of times. Then I opened up a restaurant in 1982, put 8 a chef in business called Piero. I threw him out six months later, or three months later. I think it was six. Because he wouldn't make vegetables for a Pakistani doctor called Desai. Oh, man, are you kidding me? Wow. I thought it was the opera singer that he wouldn't cook for. He wouldn't cook for Desai. He wouldn't make him vegetables because it was a party for Pavarotti and it was quite expensive, tickets to Pavarotti and a special dinner. So he wouldn't deviate from the menu. For a vegetarian. Correct. So my little (Carletto) came out to me and said, "The chef won't make vegetables for that couple and they're vegetarians." So I went in nicely and told him, "Please make them." And he said, "I'm not making them." So I threw him out and kept his name. He can't use the name Piero. He can use the name (Piero-Broqlia), but he cannot use the name Piero. How are you able to? Because I had a contract. Ah, okay. Ironclad one, obviously. I guess so. I took him to court, sued him and won. Does he still exist in town? Yes, he's up there. He has a restaurant. Cafe Chloe. But it's small. Piero's, thirty-three years. Dress shops, about 1966 to 1980 something. That's kind after jump, isn't it, to go from clothing to? No, not if you're talented. What talents did you have? 9 I don't know; they're so hidden on me. I've got so many talents. He's a promoter. No matter where he goes, he promotes. So like he said, when he had the dress stores, everyone that was local that was anybody and all the stars shopped in his dress stores. When he did carpets and draperies, everybody who was anybody in town, all the casino executives, they all bought their carpets and draperies from him. Then when he left the dress stores and went off to the Sporting House, then everybody in town belonged to that club. Then when he left there or sold that?I don't know; I guess you sold it?and he came to Piero's and he did Piero's, then everybody followed him here. If he's ever not there, people stop coming. Oh, and I built homes, too. I developed half the Las Vegas Country Club. Oh, I didn't know that. I know. I forgot. I built all the homes on the right side of Bel Air Drive. I had six and a quarter acres I bought for five thousand dollars down with Lenny Burnett's money, my friend that gave me the money to buy it. Then I put it together and I built. So how many homes did you build there? Thirty-seven. How much did you make off your five thousand dollars? I don't know what I made. I'm sure one of my wives spent it. Ask him how many times he's been married? You need to hear that. Four. I'm still married. And has that been good? What do you mean? I don't live with her. That's why it's great. I haven't lived with her for twelve years and she's a wonderful person. I love her to death. But I get bored. It's like I get bored with business. 10 Well, thirty-three years, though, here. Yes. But this is exciting because I see someone different every night. You've got different people. So describe your typical day. What do you do? What do I do? I wake up and I go to sleep. In between those two activities, you come here, what time? Whenever I want. Tell her about your second wife. My second wife? Diahann Carroll? Oh, you were married to Diahann Carroll? No, she was married to me. Oh, okay. I stand corrected. And how did you meet Diahann? She worked for us at the International. My best friend was the president of the International. He was at the Sahara and then he became president of the International for Kirk Kerkorian. Well, first the Flamingo and then the International, right? I was his best friend and he was my partner in my dress shops because he owned a third of my dress shops. And his name is? Alex Shoofey. I've heard of him, yes. I used to be his gofer kind of like. I used to entertain the stars, take them to shows, play tennis with them, make their reservations, do everything in town that he couldn't do because he didn't have a personality. He was a bookkeeper. He was an accountant. We used to go to Barbra 11 Streisand's house to renew a contract. I did a lot of traveling with him. Played tennis with Barbara. Played tennis with Ann-Margret. Met Diahann Carroll. Married Diahann Carroll. Took out Raquel Welch. Wow. That's quite a list. It goes deeper. So you remember when Diahann Carroll was engaged to Robert Frost? David Frost. ?David Frost from England? It was a big controversy because it was the first time anybody had publicly dated that was interracial. But for the British that wasn't any big deal, but still for America it was a bit of a big deal. Anyway, so everybody was speculating that she was going to marry David Frost. And she went and announced her engagement to David and she was supposed to break up with him. Because I told her I only wanted to be number two. But she wasn't in love with David. She went to David and they got engaged and I got a call at three o'clock in the morning that Diahann announced her engagement to David Frost. My buddy (Julie Rifkin) called me. So then I used to get calls in the middle of the night or a hang up and all of that. Here's a distressed girl; can't get out of what she got into. Anyway, I eventually married her at the Circus Circus. Shoofey and Chris Karamanos paid for it. Then we got married again at the Bel-Air Hotel. Who paid for that? Shoofey. Why? I didn't have any money. So why did she marry you? 12 She loved him. Because I'm super. Perry Como, I used to manage his wardrobe. See Perry Como with me? Okay. I like that, yes. I used to manage his wardrobe. His wardrobe consisted of a (Parker Alpaca) sweater and a tuxedo. And my mother loved him. She's (schmutah). She used to say to him, "Why don't you get some tea?" Anyway, he gave me the billing because I used to travel with him for fun. We were just buddies hanging out together. Was he a nice guy? Fabulous guy. When did you do that? In my lifetime. No, but when? At the Hilton in 1970 at the International. So the thing is, is that it made front page news all over the country that Diahann? His marriage. Yes, because? When I divorced her. No, when you married her. But then when I divorced her, I called the paper so she didn't bury me again like she did when she announced her engagement to David. So I got even with her and called the press and said, "I'm divorcing Diahann Carroll," and I gave it to Brian Greenspun at the Sun. Hello? Because she got me when she...Okay? So I got her back. So how long was that marriage? 13 Long time, five months. And then how long was it before you married number three? Now, was number three? Number three is in my office. She still works for him. My mom is number one. So how did you meet Marla's mom? She was a cocktail waitress at the Sahara and we had common friends. And you sold her carpet and draperies. And got stuck with the bill when I married her. She did payments. She had a payment book. And so they got married a few months later and she gave him the payment book. So he ended up having to pay for them. Makes sense. So wife number three still works for you. I put her to work for me after. She used to do everything?her father was president of the Sands, Dick Danner. So she did everything for the Hughes Company, all the parties. So I had a child with her. She's a bright lady. Anyway, I put her to work because she was driving my son [Evan] crazy. That's Evan? Yes, Evan. And Evan works with you. Here's my girlfriend. Wow, she's stunning. Yes, of course. They were all stunning, right? Yes, all beautiful. I am insecure, so I needed a pretty girl on my arm. You know how that goes? 14 Yes. Why do I feel like you're not insecure? Everyone has a little insecurity. Yes, yes. You were very successful in everything you did it sounds like. Well, I made it seem that I was successful. Here's my second wife. My first wife, her mother, who was a beautiful girl. Oh, she's very pretty. Where are you at in that? Me, I'm the good-looking one in the middle. I mean where is this picture taken? I don't know. Oh, that's at Al Childs' anniversary party. Okay, well, I don't know where it was. Oh, wow. Diahann. So you keep your photo album in your phone. No, I just had some pictures that the kids sent me. So I do it. I was impressed that you could do that. Here, that's the two of them right there. That's my mom. Oh, wow. Here's Don King, Steve Lawrence. They're all friends. Everyone is very close friends of mine. Jerry Lewis is one of my best friends. Wayne Newton. Tark. [Jerry Tarkanian] That was the last picture he took before he died. He was my best friend. I've heard that before. For years and years. 15 Tell me about your friendship with him. How did you two meet? He needed a gym to work out with and I had the Sporting House and they didn't have a gym at UNLV for the basketball players. So I gave them all memberships, which was a non-violation. There's Jerry and me, his eighty-ninth birthday. Tony Curtis, right? You have this picture, Dad? That's my granddaughter. That's adorable. Great-granddaughter. That's your great-granddaughter and my granddaughter. I'm going to have to have copies of all these photos so that it supplements this conversation. This is amazing. Did you see this picture? Yes, she looks good. That's my mom. You're very handsome. Yes, I was gorgeous. You're still handsome. There's my little one, fifty-three, that little one there with the balloons on her head. So tell me about why Italian food? Why any kind of food? Well, how does someone?you could open up all kinds of restaurants. Is it because Piero cooked Italian? Well, no, because Piero and I met and he was in a little hole in the wall and he needed a little guidance. So I put him in business. I put him in the Sporting House first to try out the menu. 16 The Sporting House was sixty-one thousand square feet, a recreational facility. It had about four or five thousand members at a time. So I put him in there to sample his menu. Then I opened a little restaurant on Karen Avenue with eighty seats. That was it. Well, there's more of a story to Piero than he's telling you. He was really kind of famous locally, very famous locally. And he would open up a restaurant and everybody? Why Italian? He had a following. Piero did? Piero did. And then people would go on Wednesday night to eat and all of a sudden the restaurant was closed. He had a gambling problem. So I guess he'd be fine and then he'd open up these restaurants and everyone would follow him and then it would close. Then all the sudden he'd open up again and he'd be on the wagon and then people would follow him and everything would close. So when he brought him in he knew going into it?that's why that contract was ironclad?because he'd be there as long as he'd have him and he'd be okay. Then when the guy flipped out, which he did do just five months later...So he took advantage of it. I'm sure he was waiting for it to happen from the day they opened, to be honest with you, right? What's that? Waiting for Piero to have a temper tantrum. I didn't expect that. Really? I think you did. So that's why. It's just that Piero was such a great chef and he was down on his luck at the time Dad brought him in. He had closed yet another third or fourth restaurant. So he had the business sense and all Piero really had to do was cook and he would have continued to make money off the restaurant. Were you guys partners? Dad, you were 17 partners? I put up the money There's (Romie). [Pointing to picture] That's his girlfriend. Show her your wife. She's not Jewish either. I'd never go with another Jewish woman. Why is that? They're a pain in the ass. Do you have any pictures of Bonnie? Now, who is Bonnie? His wife, his current wife. Right up there. I'm honestly surrounded by photos. This is amazing. That's your wedding picture then, okay. She's pretty, too. She looks like (Kristin). How come I'm not in that picture? Because you weren't at my wedding, I don't think. Yes, I was. I don't know. Maybe you were busy. I wasn't at your wedding. So who are these other people? That's my sister. Charlie, who's there? Charlie and that's Evan. Charlie is her son from my third marriage. I didn't adopt him, but I raised him. He runs eleven places for Stations. [Station Casinos] She was gorgeous, Bonnie. 18 It looks like you attract nothing but gorgeous women. Talk to me about the history of restaurants in Las Vegas. What about restaurants? Yes, well, what about them? Everybody comes here to eat. No, they don't. They never used to come here to eat. They come here to see shows. It wasn't the restaurant business. The restaurant business, they got in when Steve Wynn started bringing in all the fancy chefs. My restaurant is one of the oldest in Vegas, thirty-three years old. How do you? How do I do it? Consistency. I'm consist in the women I take out; they're beautiful. My food is the same way, consistent. Right? Yes. I'm only putting you on. It's a competitive business today, isn't it, the restaurant business? Sure it is, but isn't all business competitive? Yes. But how does one stay above it all? You have to be above it all. You have to know what the hell you're doing. You have to be soft and gentle, a nice approach like me. His location hasn't hurt him either. No, location is great. Yes, because of the convention center. My what? Your location hasn't hurt you. And my reputation. 19 How would you describe your reputation? Fiery. People don't know me. They know me, but a lot of people don't know me. It's a jealous town. They're all jealous of people making it or whatever. They have nothing nice to say. They talk about you because they want to be important. But I really don't care if they talk about me. The more they talk about me, the more business I get. My philosophy was to make friends with the people that could help you and that's how I started in this town. I made friends with the president of hotels and all the big people because little people can't help you. Understand? Yes, yes. I used to serve Moe Dalitz. I was a pallbearer at his funeral. Carl Thomas, I was a pallbearer. Al Sachs, I was a pallbearer. All the people that built the hotels and ran the hotels. Here's my business card. It's cute. You'd like it. Ooh, I do like it. You know what it says on there? "The owner's always right." That's right. "Freddie G." I threw a lady out about a year ago in here, Westerman. They used to own the Riviera. She was with another woman and she was very rude and she called someone, like Romy, a hustling broad or something. Very rude. She was drinking, too. So I threw her out. Last night she walked in. She walked right in. Did you let her in? Yeah. What the hell? I said hello. She had money in her pocket. What the hell? Why would I throw her out? 20 So tell Barbara the story about how you got in a fight with Bob Arum and threw him out. And? And so there's a picture downstairs of my dad and Bob Arum and?is Tarkanian in that picture? No. It was a picture of Bob Arum and his fighters. Right. And it used to hangover this huge booth and Bob always sat at that booth. One night they got into a beef. What did you get into a beef about? I don't know. They got in a beef and my dad threw Bob Arum and Lovee out. The next day?I don't know if you noticed it when you were coming up the stairs?but there's a picture painted of my dad with Don King, who is a competitor promoter to Bob Arum. Then the next night he hung that picture of himself with Don King; he took down the Bob Arum picture and put up the picture of himself and Don King. Everybody who heard about the fight came into the restaurant. It just was the biggest joke in town. So finally, a year later Bob Arum came back and he took the picture down of Don King and put Bob Arum's picture back up. But when Don King comes in? Oh, you put it back up. ?I put Don King's picture. And Bob Arum's picture I gave away. Oh, you did? Yes. To who? I don't know. I just gave it away. So Moe Dalitz used to come in the restaurant and all the guys used to come in the restaurant and Moe used to move the pictures. I had pictures of the Hawk. Aldo Luongo does himself as an old 21 man in later years. Then he has a picture of him with all the Kennedys, like John F. Kennedy playing the piano and this and that. Yes, all the Kennedy brothers. Moe used to walk in and wouldn't sit in the same room with the Kennedys. I had to move the Kennedy picture into another room. Then a lot of people used to come in and wouldn't sit at the same table two nights in a row because of bugs, bugs under their table. Oh. FBI bugs. Wow. So you were aware that that was happening? But there were no bugs. There were no bugs. There were afraid that there might be? They always checked themselves. Wow. They wouldn't sit at the same table two nights in a row. The town was different then. Yes. So that's the picture I want to know more about from your perspective. So you had Moe Dalitz coming in here. I had everyone coming in here, everyone. Tony Spilotro called one day. Do you know him? Yes, I know that name, yes. He called when I opened up Piero's on Karen. I used to have another restaurant called the Oz, P.J. Barnum's and the Oz next to the Circus Circus. Tony used to come in there and they used to have a meeting. They used to sit there in the meeting room. Well, he ran all the customers out. So when I opened up Piero's, I got a call one night and I answered the phone, "Hello?" "Who's this?" I said, "Freddie." He says, "Freddie